Why Two Opposites In This Forum?

[pdudgeon]

Who are the “we” you are referring to and where can we find the statement? Can you cite a reference and tell us who adheres to the statement? I cited the Rhema statement of faith (HERE), which I was once told is the only “official” statement for Word of Faith beliefs. The statement is pretty innocuous and very close to the AOG statement. There is little in it that I disagree with.

But those are not the issues brought to this forum we are told is “Word of Faith” beliefs.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

very observant, Jim!

i cannot post the original WOF Statement Of Faith on the forum because to do so would be a violation of the rules. for that same reason i also cannot answer any of your questions about it. i hope you understand.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

If the WOF SOF isn't even what you guys believe, we can fix that.

I do not think so. I know that does not speak well of our movement as a whole.
I do not like the emphasis on money that you see on TV. I would disassociate us with any group that makes someone rich. I would have ministers take vows of poverty. I think we would have to do this to regain support and acceptance. I am ashamed to see ministers wearing huge diamond rings and $5k suits. What about having the goods of this world and... well you know.
That is just what my heart says.
Not to mention the "positive confession thing."
But I can live with that.

 

[lismore]

If the WOF SOF isn't even what you guys believe, we can fix that.

Hello Meh

What about a similar thing for the main forum? Clarification of who a Charismatic is.

At the moment old shep could pass as Charismatic according to the definition of this forum.

 

[JimB]

But this is the Spirit filled Forum and healing is one of the gifts of the Spirit. We cant ban people from talking about it. People are coming here looking for healing for goodness sake.........we should be praying for one another all the time so we can get healed, first we need unity.

What we need to do is recognise that there are belief systems in this place that will always be on a collision course on healing and several other issues.

They're just too opposite to live under the same roof.

Thanx, Lis. But I am quite comfortable living under the same roof with WOF. For some reason, they are just not comfortable with me and those who share similar beliefs to mine.

I am quite at peace with those who disagree with me and I am sure of what I believe, despite my detractors. On occasion, they have even proven me wrong and I am grateful for the learning process, not threatened at all.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[nephilimiyr]

Thanx, Lis. But I am quite comfortable living under the same roof with WOF. For some reason, they are just not comfortable with me and those who share similar beliefs to mine.

Wait, could you please clarify? Because in this thread, and in others at different times you have stated that you don't want to be identified with them. Now you're saying you are "quite comfortable living under the same roof", that seems like a contradiction to me.

 

[Joy]

Those who are not happy posting on this forum why don't you just stick to Charismatic Non WOF that's the answer.

 

[nephilimiyr]

But this is the Spirit filled Forum and healing is one of the gifts of the Spirit. We cant ban people from talking about it. People are coming here looking for healing for goodness sake.........we should be praying for one another all the time so we can get healed, first we need unity.

What we need to do is recognise that there are belief systems in this place that will always be on a collision course on healing and several other issues.

They're just too opposite to live under the same roof. Could we not have our own roofs and still be friends?

Oh yes we can ban the topic. If we're going to act like children then we should be treated like children.

 

[JimB]

Wait, could you please clarify? Because in this thread, and in others at different times you have stated that you don't want to be identified with them. Now you're saying you are "quite comfortable living under the same roof", that seems like a contradiction to me.

Trying to trap me in words, huh, Neph. That beats talking about issues, I guess.

We are in the same family, the household of God, even though we differ (as siblings often do), ergo we live under the same roof. But you are right; I don’t want to be labeled WOF (or Charismatic or Pentecostal or Post-Charismatic or Emergent for that matter). Just being Christian is good enough for me.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[JimB]

Oh yes we can ban the topic. If we're going to act like children then we should be treated like children.

Then show us how an adult acts, Neph, but, please, these lectures are getting tedious.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[pdudgeon]

If the WOF SOF isn't even what you guys believe, we can fix that.

at the time it was changed we were told that we had no say in the matter, that it would be edited, period. and it was. by a member of the non-WOF forum.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Trying to trap me in words, huh, Neh. That beats talking about issues, I guess.

This right here is an excellent example of what causes strife and why this forum needs splitting up. I ask a question for clarification purposes and when it's replied to I end up get judged and then accused. I'm not only accused of setting traps but also of not wanting to talk about the issues.

It's the typical "Us vs. Them" attitude that permeates this place and makes it stink to high heaven.

We are in the same family, the household of God, even though we differ (as siblings often do), ergo we live under the same roof. But you are right; I don’t want to be labeled WOF (or Charismatic or Pentecostal or Post-Charismatic or Emergent for that matter). Just being Christian is good enough for me.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

Well then why don't we just simply make all of CF one huge forum? We're all one big family. If being Christian is good enough we don't need any Congregational or Faith Groups forums at all.

Maybe that should be my last suggestion, get rid of all Congregational and Faith Group forums.

 

[JimB]

Those who are not happy posting on this forum why don't you just stick to Charismatic Non WOF that's the answer.

Or, better yet, those who are not happy posting on this forum why don't you just stick to Charismatic Word of Faith forum. That is also an answer.

Personally, it seems to me that WOF members are the ones who are not happy posting in this forum.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[nephilimiyr]

Then show us how an adult acts, Neph, but, please, these lectures are getting tedious.

I don't think I really have to, so far you continue to prove my point that these SF/C forums need spliting up. So as long as you keep helping me with that, I'll just let it ride.

And I did say "we", that means I include myself in that. Or are you now accusing me of just pointing my finger at others?

 

[nephilimiyr]

Or, better yet, those who are not happy posting on this forum why don't you just stick to Charismatic Word of Faith forum. That is also an answer.

Personally, it seems to me that WOF members are the ones who are not happy posting in this forum.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

I'm not WOF and I'm not happy, actually there has been quite a few non-WOF people in this thread talking about how unhappy they are.

 

[Simon Peter]

Those who are not happy posting on this forum why don't you just stick to Charismatic Non WOF that's the answer.

I don't think there's anyone who doesn't want to post on the main forum, or they wouldn't post here.

I think this is more about how WoF get upset when other believers don't agree with them. Some WoF seem to think that non-WoF are out to get them.

It's true that non-WoF disagree with WoF about a lot of things, and visa-versa. But if this really bothered anyone, they could stay in their own WoF or non-WoF forum. But they don't! I assume because they like to debate and fellowship with other creeds, but they then they get upset when their beliefs get criticised!

You can't have it both ways.

The answer is twofold:

1. People need to criticise more respectfully (CF already has rules to enforce this)

2. People need to not get so upset because their beliefs are criticised


peace,
Simon

 

[SavedByGrace3]

at the time it was changed we were told that we had no say in the matter, that it would be edited, period. and it was. by a member of the non-WOF forum.

I did not remember that.. But at the time I was not sporting a nifty WoF icon.... So I had no voice anyways.
My own fault.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I believe this thread God the HEALER is a good guidance of one of the major issues that clearly divide WOF and Non-WOF. Doctrine of Healing.

I gave up posting in there. Its one of the most troubling issues of this forum.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I believe this thread God the HEALER is a good guidance of one of the major issues that clearly divide WOF and Non-WOF. Doctrine of Healing.

I agree..
There is no agreement on a very foundational teaching.
Arguing about the curtains is kind of silly when the foundations are messed up.

Psa 11:3
3 If the foundations be destroyed, What can the righteous do?

 

[psalms 91]

Wait, could you please clarify? Because in this thread, and in others at different times you have stated that you don't want to be identified with them. Now you're saying you are "quite comfortable living under the same roof", that seems like a contradiction to me.

I agree but the real issue is what do we project to those coming in? I dont think existing as it is now is beneficial for either side. If someoone came in wanting healing it would turn into a clash of doctrines and if it was me not knowing I would run away as fast as possible.

 

[nephilimiyr]

The answer is twofold:

1. People need to criticise more respectfully (CF already has rules to enforce this)

Very true, but when the mods enforce this rule the mods then get accused of all kinds of things from being biased to acting like a gestopo.

Otherwise this is a very basic truth that we should all already know and practise, yet it isn't always put into practise.

2. People need to not get so upset because their beliefs are criticised

This I totally agree with and have spoken about in the debate forum. However, in the general SF/C forum we are supposed to, or should be, be free from that. If you want to criticise or debate then do it in the debate forum.