Why Two Opposites In This Forum?

[pdudgeon]

several issues are at an impass, Dids.
nearly everything that WOF believes in, non-WOF does not, and vice versa.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

several issues are at an impass, Dids.
nearly everything that WOF believes in, non-WOF does not, and vice versa.

And we have members who are openly and proudly proclaim themselves "anti wof".
How are we to to deal with that?
If you were pentecostal and you went to you went to your church and saw a member with a button that said "anti-pentecostal"... how would you deal with that??? What can you do?
But we have that here? People are openly hostile toward us? It is even a joke with some.
I cannot beleive the mods do not know or see this.
Mods... what are we supposed to think????

 

[pdudgeon]

I stand by what I said, Pete. There has been no appreciable exodus from this forum and I do not remember a time when we consistently had 20-30 afternoon members posting in this SFPC forum. If we had that many, it was a fluke. The number has remained virtually the same throughout my time here (since 2004). The only time I remember it dropping was soon after the forum changed ownership but it rebounded within weeks.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

i was going to put something funny here, but i'll just say that i agree with pete. the drop in numbers is staggering.

how many present/former staffers do you need to tell you that the numbers here have dropped?

 

[JimB]

several issues are at an impass, Dids.
nearly everything that WOF believes in, non-WOF does not, and vice versa.

There is no official Word of Faith creedal statement so it is up for grabs what “Word of Faith beliefs” are. I know what some WOF posters in this forum believe and I object where I find them in error. But if you are talking about, say, the Rhema Statement of Faith (HERE), I would say that I believe in 90% of what is written. But that is not what is presented as WOF in this forum. It is those more controversial add-ons to the Rhema tnenets of faith that are objected to when brought into these discussions.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[nephilimiyr]

The congregational and faith group forums were designed to be safe havens from debate. The General Theology forums is where if you want to debate or have your beliefs challenged that is where you are supposed to go. The SF/C forum is supposed to be a place where we can go to get away from the debates, back biting, and strife.

Because of the many different beliefs within the charismatic movement there has always been alot of debate here in this forum none the less. That is why CF then created the SF/C debate forum. That is the place to go if you want to debate amongst other charismatics. That's fine, beautiful, but most of us act as though that forum doesn't exist. This general forum is not suppose to have any debate yet people do it anyhow.

So here's my final suggestion. If nothing is to be done with spliting up the forums then I ask that a rule be put in place and very strickly followed and enforced. Absolutely no debate in the general forum, debate is only for the debate forum. You can fellowship and ask questions in the general forum but that is all anyone can do. And the mod staff has to stop letting threads in the general forum turn into debates. When a thread turns into a debate you either move the thread to the debate forum or close the thread down.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Thanks for your efforts and thoughts on this Neph. I respect you opinion and give what you say weight because you are a fair minded person.
I hope my good words for you does not turn others against you. they might think we were friends and that may be bad for you.

The congregational and faith group forums were designed to be safe havens from debate. The General Theology forums is were if you want to debate or have your beliefs challenged that is where you are supposed to go. The SF/C forum is supposed to be a place where we can go to get away from the debates, back biting, and strife.

Because of the many different beliefs within the charismatic movement there has always been alot of debate here in this forum none the less. That is why CF then created the SF/C debate forum. That is the place to go if you want to debate amongst other charismatics. That's fine, beautiful, but most of us act as though that forum doesn't exist. This general forum is not suppose to have any debate yet people do it anyhow.

So here's my final suggestion. If nothing is to be done with spliting up the forums then I ask that a rule be put in place and very strickly followed and enforced. Absolutely no debate in the general forum, debate is only for the debate forum. You can fellowship and ask questions in the general forum but that is all anyone can do. And the mod staff has to stop letting threads in the general forum turn into debates. When a thread turns into a debate you either move the thread to the debate forum or close the thread down.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Do you mean that WOF’ers (and those who share their views) would not be allowed to post anything about faith healing and physical healing being in the atonement or anything like that?

That would make for a rather quiet forum, IMO.

Simply no topics on healing whatsoever, period.

Hey, if we're going to act like children I think we should be treated like children.

Otherwise read my last post about my final suggestion.

 

[pdudgeon]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

i have a copy of what we actually believe.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

i have a copy of what we actually believe.

I agree. I do not go by that statement. I was never asked and I do not agree with all of it. But who agrees with everything anyways.
A friend used to say that if two people think the same about everything, then one of them is not thinking. ~

 

[lismore]

A house divided against itself cannot stand.
If you had a "joe's fellowship church" with a room off to the side called "non-joes fellowship room" how do you think that chruch would fair?

So the answer is two separate houses?

 

[pdudgeon]

And we have members who are openly and proudly proclaim themselves "anti wof".
How are we to to deal with that?
If you were pentecostal and you went to you went to your church and saw a member with a button that said "anti-pentecostal"... how would you deal with that??? What can you do?
But we have that here? People are openly hostile toward us? It is even a joke with some.
I cannot beleive the mods do not know or see this.
Mods... what are we supposed to think????

that every day we're getting closer and closer to what Jesus went thru when He was here on earth.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

A house divided against itself .. and in my Father's house are many mansions ... if one side of the coin doesn't work flip it over .

 

[lismore]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

Hi pdudgoen

What you have just said, it kind of sums up the whole situation. Who knows what anyone believes here, it's just regulated chaos.

 

[JimB]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

i have a copy of what we actually believe.

Who are the “we” you are referring to and where can we find the statement? Can you cite a reference and tell us who adheres to the statement? I cited the Rhema statement of faith (HERE), which I was once told is the only “official” statement for Word of Faith beliefs. The statement is pretty innocuous and very close to the AOG statement. There is little in it that I disagree with.

But those are not the issues brought to this forum we are told is “Word of Faith” beliefs.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[SavedByGrace3]

So the answer is two separate houses?

Lis my friend I do not have an answer. What we are seeing here is merely a miniature scale version of what is happening in the real world. This sort of thing is not limited to online forums. I think entire churches and denominations are going through this. You may not see it because the church leadership does not let such things come to fruit. They "nip it in the bud." But there is a real "war" occuring for the heart and mind of the body of Christ. There will be a parting of the ways. One side will endure great persecution at the hands of the other. It will be no holds barred. Much like what we see here. Some will not survive (spiritually). But this is true for every age of the church. The body moves on. Those who cannot accept, will stay behind. I am not being mean here... it is just a historic fact.


I have ideas as to what is happening and why. But I would not share them here because you would REALLY see people become offended.

 

[JimB]

that every day we're getting closer and closer to what Jesus went thru when He was here on earth.

Not quite.

You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. Hebrews 12.4

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[meh]

the current WOF statement of faith is what someone else believes that we believe, and what was written for us by someone who is not WOF.
we had no choice in the matter of what passes as our statement of faith.

i have a copy of what we actually believe.

If the WOF SOF isn't even what you guys believe, we can fix that.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Not quite.

You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. Hebrews 12.4

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

I read one of your posts and blew a gasket. Does that count?

 

[lismore]

Then I would suggest put a moratorium on the topic of healing and anything that has to do with healing.

But this is the Spirit filled Forum and healing is one of the gifts of the Spirit. We cant ban people from talking about it. People are coming here looking for healing for goodness sake.........we should be praying for one another all the time so we can get healed, first we need unity.

What we need to do is recognise that there are belief systems in this place that will always be on a collision course on healing and several other issues.

They're just too opposite to live under the same roof. Could we not have our own roofs and still be friends?

 

[JimB]

I read one of your posts and blew a gasket. Does that count?

Heh, heh.

Not quite.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​