Why turn water into wine?

[JDMiowa]

Why did Jesus turn water into wine?
It's true Jesus didn't perform miracles willy nilly so why did he change water into wine at the wedding? One of the clues is the jars themselves these stone jars were never used for drinking water they were used for common water you might say gray water in today's language. Christ could of took their drinking water from clay jars and converted it into wine, why did Christ turn this drinking water into common water first? It was to show a greater truth, he is the vine. What does a vine do? It takes earthly water and converts it into grapes, or grape juice. This was to show his disciples that he was the true vine that came from God. Jesus did not perform this miracle to make these people happy at the wedding but to show at a wedding ceremony that he was the true vine. The groom at this wedding was giving praise for providing excellent wine that's because the groom is responsible for providing the wine. Christ provide the wine because he is the groom for us we are the bride. He is able to produce wine out of common/dirty water. The question now is, will we let him turn us/dirty earthy water into heavenly wine? In heaven, Christ will be given praise at the wedding fest for providing us/heavenly wine, by his heavenly father. This miracle is a type/copy of Christ/antitype being the groom at the marriage supper in heaven.
In John 2:1-11, Jesus,"Shows" his deciples he is the true vine sent by God.
In John 15, Jesus,"Tells" his deciples he is the true vine, God is the husbandman and we are the fruit and the branches.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Why did Jesus turn water into wine?
It's true Jesus didn't perform miracles willy nilly so why did he change water into wine at the wedding? One of the clues is the jars themselves these stone jars were never used for drinking water they were used for common water you might say gray water in today's language. Christ could of took their drinking water from clay jars and converted it into wine, why did Christ turn this drinking water into common water first? It was to show a greater truth, he is the vine. What does a vine do? It takes earthly water and converts it into grapes, or grape juice. This was to show his disciples that he was the true vine that came from God. Jesus did not perform this miracle to make these people happy at the wedding but to show at a wedding ceremony that he was the true vine. The groom at this wedding was giving praise for providing excellent wine that's because the groom is responsible for providing the wine. Christ provide the wine because he is the groom for us we are the bride. He is able to produce wine out of common/dirty water. The question now is, will we let him turn us/dirty earthy water into heavenly wine? In heaven, Christ will be given praise at the wedding fest for providing us/heavenly wine, by his heavenly father. This miracle is a type/copy of Christ/antitype being the groom at the marriage supper in heaven.
In John 2:1-11, Jesus,"Shows" his deciples he is the true vine sent by God.
In John 15, Jesus,"Tells" his deciples he is the true vine, God is the husbandman and we are the fruit and the branches.

Does everything have to be symbolic in nature? Why couldnt He just make the people happy?

Lets look at it another way...

There was a wedding, Jesus was present... a problem occurs, Jesus solves the problem and makes everyone happy... IMHO this could symbolize that whenever a problem in our life occurs He can solve it not matter how important or unimportant it may be... no matter how earthly or godly it may be...

 

[JDMiowa]

Does everything have to be symbolic in nature? Why couldnt He just make the people happy?

Lets look at it another way...

There was a wedding, Jesus was present... a problem occurs, Jesus solves the problem and makes everyone happy... IMHO this could symbolize that whenever a problem in our life occurs He can solve it not matter how important or unimportant it may be... no matter how earthly or godly it may be...

Sorry if I made your head hurt. But all of Jesus's miracles was to show a greater picture of who Christ was.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Sorry if I made your head hurt. But all of Jesus's miracles was to show a greater picture of who Christ was.

Don't be! You didn't ...

Some people take a more symbolic look at the bible while others prefer a more practical... I guess both is OK.. and fine... and complements the other...

 

[JDMiowa]

Don't be! You didn't ...

Some people take a more symbolic look at the bible while others prefer a more practical... I guess both is OK.. and fine... and complements the other...

Yes, your side has been told, my side the symbolic, has not, so much been told. Its high time both are known.

 

[tnp2140]

It would be wise to point out that the wine made by Jesus was non-fermented, non-alcoholic wine.

And yes, every story within the Bible is but a shadow and a type of a much greater truth. When this is seen and understood properly the Bible comes to life in the mind of the beholder as never before.

 

[JDMiowa]

It would be wise to point out that the wine made by Jesus was non-fermented, non-alcoholic wine.

And yes, every story within the Bible is but a shadow and a type of a much greater truth. When this is seen and understood properly the Bible comes to life in the mind of the beholder as never before.

Have you ever seen a vine produce fermented fruit?

 

[JDMiowa]

It would be wise to point out that the wine made by Jesus was non-fermented, non-alcoholic wine.

And yes, every story within the Bible is but a shadow and a type of a much greater truth. When this is seen and understood properly the Bible comes to life in the mind of the beholder as never before.

If you point out the fruit of the vine(wine) came from the true vine sent by God , there is no discussion, because no good vine has ever produced fermented fruit. Turning grape juice into alcohol is a act of Man. Turning water into grape juice is a act of God. Only the true vine of God can turn water into (wine).

 

[tnp2140]

If you point out the fruit of the vine(wine) came from the true vine sent by God , there is no discussion, because no good vine has ever produced fermented fruit. Turning grape juice into alcohol is a act of Man. Turning water into grape juice is a act of God. Only the true vine of God can turn water into (wine).

That is a great way to put it.

I only mentioned that because there are plenty of souls out there who try to use the example of Jesus turning water into wine as His endorsement of indulgence in alcohol.

 

[JohnMarsten]

It would be wise to point out that the wine made by Jesus was non-fermented, non-alcoholic wine.

And yes, every story within the Bible is but a shadow and a type of a much greater truth. When this is seen and understood properly the Bible comes to life in the mind of the beholder as never before.

there is no direct evidence the water Jesus turned into wine was not fermented,

 

[tnp2140]

there is no direct evidence the water Jesus turned into wine was not fermented,

Quite the contrary. Jesus cannot contradict the very words He inspired His prophets and messengers to write in the Old Testament, which clearly forbade the use of strong drink. Should the wine been fermented, Jesus would effectually become a bartender who gives an endorsement to pollute the temple of the Holy Ghost. Such things could not be.

“Jesus provided wine, but there is not a hint that the wine He made was intoxicating. It was fresh-made wine. New-made wine is never intoxicating. It is not intoxicating until some time after the process of fermentation has set in. Fermentation is a process of decay. There is not a hint that our Lord produced alcohol, which is a product of decay or death. He produced a living wine uncontaminated by fermentation. It is true it was better wine than they had been drinking, but that does not show for a moment that it was more fermented than that which they had before been drinking”. Difficulties in the Bible by R.A Torrey.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Quite the contrary. Jesus cannot contradict the very words He inspired His prophets and messengers to write in the Old Testament, which clearly forbade the use of strong drink. Should the wine been fermented, Jesus would effectually become a bartender who gives an endorsement to pollute the temple of the Holy Ghost. Such things could not be.

“Jesus provided wine, but there is not a hint that the wine He made was intoxicating. It was fresh-made wine. New-made wine is never intoxicating. It is not intoxicating until some time after the process of fermentation has set in. Fermentation is a process of decay. There is not a hint that our Lord produced alcohol, which is a product of decay or death. He produced a living wine uncontaminated by fermentation. It is true it was better wine than they had been drinking, but that does not show for a moment that it was more fermented than that which they had before been drinking”. Difficulties in the Bible by R.A Torrey.

First of all the idea of a missing hint is flawed, as the lack of it doesnt prove anything...

The word wine is a hint on its own though...

The idea of the fermentation process kicking in later doesnt mean anythin in this regard. The Lord is almighty, He doesnt have to wait for some process to kick in, wine was needed He provided, I guess the wedding would have been once the process had kicked in...

He never forbade the use of strong drinks... quite the contrary... as He allowed His people to use tithings in order to buy wine and strong drink...

Fact is though, we cannot clearly state what kind of wine it actually was at the wedding, however, the grape juice theory was set in motion a loooong time after the wedding while generation have believed in a different way... I dont think God would have allowed for such a miracle to happen knowing that it would provide an excuse for people to drink wine (that is if He was truly against wine, which the word of God plainly states He wasnt).

 

[JohnMarsten]

Quite the contrary. Jesus cannot contradict the very words He inspired His prophets and messengers to write in the Old Testament, which clearly forbade the use of strong drink. Should the wine been fermented, Jesus would effectually become a bartender who gives an endorsement to pollute the temple of the Holy Ghost. Such things could not be.

“Jesus provided wine, but there is not a hint that the wine He made was intoxicating. It was fresh-made wine. New-made wine is never intoxicating. It is not intoxicating until some time after the process of fermentation has set in. Fermentation is a process of decay. There is not a hint that our Lord produced alcohol, which is a product of decay or death. He produced a living wine uncontaminated by fermentation. It is true it was better wine than they had been drinking, but that does not show for a moment that it was more fermented than that which they had before been drinking”. Difficulties in the Bible by R.A Torrey.

Besides, the point of product of decay or death is not necessarily sound. Alcohol does not necessarily bring death, its abuse is a completely different topic though. Moreover other instruments of death (more serious as I might add) such as swords, spears etc. have been frequently used in order to fulfill God's will... God also used those instruments either literally or as metaphors in many prophecies in the bible and I never heard anyone here having a problem with that.

King Salomon stated that there is a season for everything under the sun, a time to mourn and a time to dance... same goes with alcohol, sometimes alcohol is encouraged, bringing joy and happiness to the hearts of men, while other times its consumption is discouraged.

Drinking problems have been know throughout the ancient world and yet God never commanded the so-called 'root' of the problem to be baned but rather the drinker to be killed? Anyone ever thought of that? I guess not...

I strongly suggest that you read the bible and see for yourself what this is all about instead of bringing up someones opinions that are definitely flawed...

 

[JDMiowa]

Quite the contrary. Jesus cannot contradict the very words He inspired His prophets and messengers to write in the Old Testament, which clearly forbade the use of strong drink. Should the wine been fermented, Jesus would effectually become a bartender who gives an endorsement to pollute the temple of the Holy Ghost. Such things could not be.

“Jesus provided wine, but there is not a hint that the wine He made was intoxicating. It was fresh-made wine. New-made wine is never intoxicating. It is not intoxicating until some time after the process of fermentation has set in. Fermentation is a process of decay. There is not a hint that our Lord produced alcohol, which is a product of decay or death. He produced a living wine uncontaminated by fermentation. It is true it was better wine than they had been drinking, but that does not show for a moment that it was more fermented than that which they had before been drinking”. Difficulties in the Bible by R.A Torrey.

In Ephesians 5:25-28 Husbands,love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it( Her, His Bride) that he might sanctify and cleanse it (His bride) with the washing of water by his word, that he might present it (Her) to Himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it (she) should be holy and without blemish.

This is a picture of the mikveh that washes the sins off the bride. Jesus takes these sins and through him, the vine, transforms our sinfulness into a holy fruit/drink.
Mikveh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Mikvah - Mikvah

The Mikveh - My Jewish Learning

Mikveh | Jewish Virtual Library




At www.jewishlearning.com I found this explanation.

"Since the mikveh at Masada was far from any natural spring, it presumably functioned as a cistern for rain, and the Masada residents immersed therein. Though stagnant rainwater could hardly have been hygienic, this mikveh would still have met the legal requirements to purify; in Judaism, ritual purity and hygiene can be two very different categories."



"Jewish law requires that one immerse in a mikveh as part of the process of conversion to Judaism, and also that women immerse before getting married and when keeping the laws of niddah (menstrual purity). There are also various non-halakhic reasons that both men and women visit the mikveh."

Gray water is a good name for this water. They did not replace it with clean water for each person. This is not for drinking. It only symbolically removes uncleanness. This water is truly unclean, and unfit to drink. The wedding group never would have drank this had they known where it came from.

This water is symbolically filled with sin. Jesus showed his disciples he can transform this sin filled water into heavenly wine. Only the vine of God can accomplish this. Man can turn grape juice into alcohol, but only God can turn water into wine, the fruit of the true vine. Only God can take a sin filled drink and make it good and holy. The drink Jesus made through himself brings joy, not poison.