Why those wanting a SPLIT are being deceived by EVIL influences.

[reddogs]

This is how evil will present paths that even the very elect can be deceived and will make wrong decisions..

Think what would have happened if those who had the 1888 message and Ellen White had decided to lead out a group that believed that one truth out of the church, or Moses had split those who wanted the golden calf and the pagan indulgence of the Egyptian religious worship they had left, his own brother would have been in it.

God will take care of those who are against Him, we must leave it up to Him and not be presumptous and let go of that which is part of us. We may throwing out those who bring us a message to correct us, yet we throw them out because we are stubborn, emotional, upset, or being used as tools by evil to accomplish its work. The more Satan divides, the less work for him until even the very elect will begin to be deceived as some are being deceived by this spirit of division......

We must stay together on this journey, even if we wander 40 years or more till Christ comes, but those who stay and follow the pillar of fire that Christ is showing to all here, will reach the promise land. Resist the evil, dont be deceived by its siren call no matter how emotionally sweet it sounds to take its path of division and underlying destruction......

The Parable of the Weeds

24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "Matthew 13:24-30

 

[woobadooba]

out of context.

 

[reddogs]

out of context.

Not at all, it is dead on. We will harm the true believers if they see those who they see as friends/followers are seperated and sent to the abyss of no truth. They will have to make a choice which may take them from the true path, and who is to say what path leads to God, dont let Satan use you, resist his snare of emotions and anger........

 

[woobadooba]

Not at all, it is dead on. We will harm the true believers if they see those who they see as friends/followers are seperated and sent to the abyss of no truth. They will have to make a choice which may take them from the true path, and who is to say what path leads to God, dont let Satan use you, resist his snare of emotions and anger........

I am not the one in here promoting views that are an abomination to God, or glorifying Satan. I am one of the few in here that is actually defending the truth. Yet, you accuse me of following an evil spirit because I no longer wish to put up with evil influences? How does that make any sense at all?

Perhaps your place is with the progressives too. When the forum splits I suppose you ought to follow them.

 

[reddogs]

I am not the one in here promoting views that are an abomination to God, or glorifying Satan. I am one of the few in here that is actually defending the truth. Yet, you accuse me of following an evil spirit because I no longer wish to put up with evil influences? How does that make any sense at all?

Perhaps your place is with the progressives too. When the forum splits I suppose you ought to follow them.

I know you are trying to do good, but what if at the last minute one of these that you call evil decides for God. He has to be near the truth in order to hear it, repent, and grasp Christ, even if at the last moment like the thief on the cross.......

My brothers and sisters I am not debating, but preaching on the Sabbath. God wants us to help even the least, dont let the devil take the hindmost, we must fight him for even the weakest, for who is to say that it is not one of the true believers that falters and is lost......

Let God deceide who He chooses, do not be presumptous........

 

[woobadooba]

I know you are trying to do good, but what if at the last minute one of these that you call evil decides for God. He has to be near the truth in order to hear it, repent, and grasp Christ, even if at the last moment like the thief on the cross.......

My brothers and sisters I am not debating, but preaching on the Sabbath. God wants us to help even the least, dont let the devil take the hindmost, we must fight him for even the weakest, for who is to say that it is not one of the true believers that falters and is lost......

Let God deceide who He chooses, do not be presumptous........

So you are suggesting that we should just put up with everything, and not remove ourselves from evil influences, even when we have the power to do so?

 

[reddogs]

So you are suggesting that we should just put up with everything, and not remove ourselves from evil influences, even when we have the power to do so?

Look at what Christ said of the group even after many had been shaken out:

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
66From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67"You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.
68Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God." 70Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!" 71(He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

Do not try to choose for God, let Him choose who he will show mercy and bring to understanding..........

 

[woobadooba]

Look at what Christ said of the group even after many had been shaken out:

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
66From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67"You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve.
68Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God." 70Then Jesus replied, "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!" 71(He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

Do not try to choose for God, let Him choose who he will show mercy and bring to understanding..........

There is a lot I could say about this, but I feel that my words will not be heeded.

 

[reddogs]

Do not allow yourself to be used by evil and decieved by emotions, ask to withdraw the poll so you take back the hand the devil has force you to play, and if someone else wants to go with it, let them be the instrument of evil, but not you. Do all to the glory of God, not to emotions and passions of anger, even if you mean well like Peter fighting and slicing the servants ear off. Let Christ do His work even if we see Judas among the followers, He will try to save them even to the very end.......

 

[NightEternal]

Reddogs, you are being far too melodramatic here. Take it easy. It's just a forum split. It's not the plagues being poured out on mankind.

 

[reddogs]

Reddogs, you are being far too melodramatic here. Take it easy. It's just a forum split. It's not the plagues being poured out on mankind.

At 1:30 in the morning, I dont get up for anyone, but if the Spirit compels me, I drag myself and 'preach' what is given......

 

[smooze]

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[sentipente]

So you are suggesting that we should just put up with everything, and not remove ourselves from evil influences, even when we have the power to do so?

Obviously, you are not following your own advice. If you want to remove yourself then do so. You don't have to split anything to remove yourself. You simply remove yourself. Now, do you have the fortitude to follow through?

 

[Dizahab]

Why should fundamental Adventists feel compelled to leave a forum that is meant for them?

There are a lot more people that would post here if there was a split. I know this for a fact.

 

[StormyOne]

Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we
to deal with these souls according to our imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time. {COL 71.3} There is in the Saviour's words another lesson, a lesson of wonderful forbearance and tender love. As the tares have their roots closely intertwined with those of the good grain, so false brethren in the church may be closely linked with true disciples. The real character of these pretended believers is not fully manifested. Were they to be separated from the church, others might be caused to stumble, who but for this would have remained steadfast. {COL 72.1}

 

[reddogs]

Why should fundamental Adventists feel compelled to leave a forum that is meant for them?

There are a lot more people that would post here if there was a split. I know this for a fact.

That is what many Adventist churches thought and they got rid of the young vibrant ring wearing guitar playing questioning Adventist, and you know what is left, a dead and graying church that nobody wants to come to, or even 'post' a opinion or idea in its Sabbath School for fear of the 'look' of comdemnation. One of our large churches right beside me, got down to six or seven members showing up on Sabbath, but they were all very very very fundamentally united......

 

[reddogs]

Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we
to deal with these souls according to our imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time. {COL 71.3} There is in the Saviour's words another lesson, a lesson of wonderful forbearance and tender love. As the tares have their roots closely intertwined with those of the good grain, so false brethren in the church may be closely linked with true disciples. The real character of these pretended believers is not fully manifested. Were they to be separated from the church, others might be caused to stumble, who but for this would have remained steadfast. {COL 72.1}

Together we learn, study, and will gain eternal life...apart, we fall back into our Laodecia lukewarm vegetative state drifting with little purpose or direction, where Satan will pick us off one by one...

Vote no on the split and help a brother or sister stay near the truth, and who knows that may be you..

http://foru.ms/t5980040-forum-split.html

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we
to deal with these souls according to our imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time. {COL 71.3} There is in the Saviour's words another lesson, a lesson of wonderful forbearance and tender love. As the tares have their roots closely intertwined with those of the good grain, so false brethren in the church may be closely linked with true disciples. The real character of these pretended believers is not fully manifested. Were they to be separated from the church, others might be caused to stumble, who but for this would have remained steadfast. {COL 72.1}

Amen.
This is a major reason why I indulge "truth in advertising" concerning my condition. I am not a pretender. I do not want anyone deceived concerning me but that runs both ways -- I would not want anyone deceived that I am NOT potentially spiritually dangerous (particularly if they are fools and presume to meddle about with me), but likewise I would not want anyone deceived by my obvious darkness into thinking there is no love for Christ in me, because that is simply NOT the case.

I despise and loathe pretense and self-righteousness -- spiritual arrogance wed to human ignorance and blindness -- with a passion; I count it most vile and mine eye is long trained to detect it. You will notice most of the time I am overwrought or reactionary it is in response to such an exhibition. Feel free to use me as a barometer of sorts in that regard, an' it please ye.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Obviously, you are not following your own advice. If you want to remove yourself then do so. You don't have to split anything to remove yourself. You simply remove yourself. Now, do you have the fortitude to follow through?

REPS .............

 

[smooze]

I burnt myself on boiling HOT coffee wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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