Why this war must be stopped!

[stray bullet]

Today at 03:20 PM strathyboy said this in Post #18



It may be worth noting that simply because the bible says there is a time for war doesn't necessarily mean this is the time.

I did not say anything of the sort. But to say there is a never a time for war is simply wrong.

 

[stray bullet]

Today at 03:35 PM Annabel Lee said this in Post #20



There is always going to be War and Peace, but why put the blame on God?

The question is, why do you speak for God is saying there is a never a time for war?

War can be justified.

 

[Annabel Lee]

Today at 12:38 PM stray bullet said this in Post #22



The question is, why do you speak for God is saying there is a never a time for war?

War can be justified.

I never spoke for God and I did not say that there was never a time for war.
I said...

There is always going to be War and Peace, but why put the blame on God?

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

 

[EspressoDuck]

Nobody is blaming God, just saying that we need to put our trust in him and we need to trust him to work things out. Does the Bible not say that our battles are not our own, but that our battle is the Lord's?

 

[Brimshack]

So, let me get this straight, we are now prepared to attack and remove any leaders who promote human rights attrocities? That seems to be the rationale. I didn't see it when scads of conservatives opposed intervention in Bosnia where Milosovic pursued explicitly genocidal policies, I didn't see it in numerous African kingdoms while millions were hacked to death in places like Ruwada, and I didn't see it when conservatives opportunistically blasted Clinton for going into Hati, doing their best to punish him for the action while ironically accusing him of wagging the dog (here's a hint the scenario only works if the war has at least a chance of being POPULAR). No, I don't think attrocities have much to do with the reasons for this war; either those of the administration or of its supporters. These are the same people that used to back S.H., and tell us on the left to shut up when we criticized support of the man. Back then we'd here; he's an S.O.B., yes, but he's our S.O.B., and that was as much interest as we could get conservatives to show in the matter. Now they lecture us on human rights attrocities. Absolutely amazing!

 

[Annabel Lee]

Today at 12:56 PM CelandineBaggins said this in Post #24

Nobody is blaming God, just saying that we need to put our trust in him and we need to trust him to work things out. Does the Bible not say that our battles are not our own, but that our battle is the Lord's?

This is blaming God.

God is in control and He will stop the war when His plan for it is complete.

We should take responsibility for our actions and stop laying the blame on God.
If we go to war it is our responsibility and blaming God is a cop-out.

 

[Smilin]

Today at 03:49 PM Annabel Lee said this in Post #23



I never spoke for God and I did not say that there was never a time for war.
I said...

There is always going to be War and Peace, but why put the blame on God?

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

/me pulls out his teeth and hands them to Annabel

 

[stray bullet]

Today at 04:01 PM Brimshack said this in Post #25

So, let me get this straight, we are now prepared to attack and remove any leaders who promote human rights attrocities? !

Wrong. We are attacking a nation for violating a UN chapter 7 resolution.

Saddam basically agreed to give up on the condition that he stop making WMD and cooperate with the inspections. He hasn't.

We could make the same mistake as has happened in history and let tyrants use treaties as toilet paper, or stop them now.

 

[stray bullet]

Today at 03:49 PM Annabel Lee said this in Post #23



I never spoke for God and I did not say that there was never a time for war.
I said...

There is always going to be War and Peace, but why put the blame on God?

Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I'm not blaming it on God, nor am I justifying it with religion.

I tend to use facts for my arguments, rather than emotional appeals and religious rhetoric.

 

[Brimshack]

Then we are enforcing a U.N. Resolution no? We have authority to do this?

 

[Kristen]

Today at 11:18 AM ocean said this in Post #1

This senseless act of mass murder must be stopped immediately. Thousands of innocent people are dying every day, and thousands more will die if this massacre isn't stopped!

America says this war is about liberating the Iraqis and stopping Saddam, but it is really about oil, money, and power. The Iraqi people are being slaughtered, not liberated, and Saddam and his regime are still in power. American and British soldiers are also dying in this conflict. Iraq is being destroyed, not liberated.

This war must be stopped now before many more people are killed.

Saddam needs to be "stopped". This war is nessesary for the Iraqi people. Saddam is a sick demented maniac who is putting machine guns in childrens hands and making them fight or be executed. It's not about oil, money and power. It's about saving this country from evil. MSNBC is on 24 7 and I haven't heard of thousands of people dying everyday. Yes we have lost some brave soldiers but they were there to fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people, they were there cause they wanted to be.

 

[Smilin]

Today at 04:01 PM Brimshack said this in Post #25

So, let me get this straight, we are now prepared to attack and remove any leaders who promote human rights attrocities? That seems to be the rationale. I didn't see it when scads of conservatives opposed intervention in Bosnia where Milosovic pursued explicitly genocidal policies, I didn't see it in numerous African kingdoms while millions were hacked to death in places like Ruwada, and I didn't see it when conservatives opportunistically blasted Clinton for going into Hati, doing their best to punish him for the action while ironically accusing him of wagging the dog (here's a hint the scenario only works if the war has at least a chance of being POPULAR). No, I don't think attrocities have much to do with the reasons for this war; either those of the administration or of its supporters. These are the same people that used to back S.H., and tell us on the left to shut up when we criticized support of the man. Back then we'd here; he's an S.O.B., yes, but he's our S.O.B., and that was as much interest as we could get conservatives to show in the matter. Now they lecture us on human rights attrocities. Absolutely amazing!

hint: going to war simply over human rights?.... going to war over weapons of mass destruction? Merely government propoganda for the effort. History will indeed reveal the true reasons. Remember Panama????? Manuel Noriega?????

 

[stray bullet]

"I hardly think God wants us to go to war and murder each other. "

Annabel, if you were saying that in this specific instance, that's simply your opinion and that's ok, but if you are saying that in general, I believe you're quite wrong. Thus the passage, time for war and time for peace.

 

[Kristen]

Also if we just let Saddam be and let him build up his WMD, how safe would the world be? Not safe at all.

 

[Brimshack]

I do indeed remember Noriega, yet another former Bush-crony whose job was terminated by means of a war.

 

[Smilin]

Today at 04:09 PM Kristen said this in Post #31

Yes we have lost some brave soldiers but they were there to fight for the freedom of the Iraqi people, they were there cause they wanted to be.

I beg to differ...
Poll the majority new soldiers and see how many even visioned they would be in a war when they joined....

The military aggressively recruits under the notion of better education, travel, and adventures...

When you wind up in a war zone.. then reality sets in.

 

[Larry]

Hello all.

I guess I'll jump in here with my first post. I have been reading many of the threads, and it sure makes for some interesting reading.

I just hope that this war is over soon, so we can get on with our lives. I also hope that all human atrocities across the globe will be ended soon. Maybe I'm just wishfull thinking about the latter, but those are my wishes and hopes.

 

[Smilin]

Today at 04:16 PM Brimshack said this in Post #35

I do indeed remember Noriega, yet another former Bush-crony whose job was terminated by means of a war.

yes, indeed.
and funny noone has ever interviewed him since he was locked away given that he was on our CIA's payroll.

But consider that our government indeed intends to kill Saddam, rather than have him stand trial, testify, and be tried for his deeds.

 

[Kristen]

Today at 01:09 PM Smilin said this in Post #32



hint: going to war simply over human rights?.... going to war over weapons of mass destruction? Merely government propoganda for the effort. History will indeed reveal the true reasons. Remember Panama????? Manuel Noriega?????

If the reasons are none of the above, what is your guess as to why we are at war?

What about Panama and Manuel Noriega? I don't remember.

 

[Smilin]

Today at 04:19 PM Larry said this in Post #37

Hello all.

I guess I'll jump in here with my first post. I have been reading many of the threads, and it sure makes for some interesting reading.

I just hope that this war is over soon, so we can get on with our lives. I also hope that all human atrocities across the globe will be ended soon. Maybe I'm just wishfull thinking about the latter, but those are my wishes and hopes.

Hi Larrie.. welcome...