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But the Law condemns us to the second death as well as the first, and salvation does not exempt us from the first death. Christ conquered not only death, but hell also, so that by mystically participating in His Passion and Death we might also participate in His Resurrection and Life.
The old and sinful man stands condemned by the Law and must die. He cannot be saved. But by Christ's Harrowing of hell, He generates a new man in place of the old, who might live eternally in His resurrected Life. This is why He says that we must take up our crosses and follow Him--because the death He dies is the death of the old and sinful man, and that death we also must face.
In other words, Christ's Passion and Death is our own death of the old and sinful man, in which we must mystically participate if we are to be saved, but if we do this, His descent into hell and His Harrowing of it become ours as well, so that we might participate in His Resurrection and Life.
I am not dissing the LXX.The LXX is a viable OT, and is a template used for translating the NT, actually.
I do wonder, if that is your view re: texts, why you would use the Masoretic ?
It is also the understanding evidenced among the native Greek speaking Christians from the earliest centuries of record.
The meaning of those who wrote what I quote is: new birth, resurrection from the dead, redemption from eternal death, salvation from wrath (Ro 5:9), not "corrected/set aright."
I prefer the divine Biblical terminology over the human theological terminology:
purchased by his blood
bought at a price
purchased men for God
redeemed not with silver and gold, but with the precious blood of the Lamb
gave himself as a ransom
bore our sin in his body
washed in his blood
I appreciate that is what you mean, but those are not Biblical words and so one doesn't really know what you mean.Are not all these summarized in "set aright" ?
At least this is what I mean.
What is "iirc"?Yes, but remember what the Biblical terminology is pointing to (as there is not iirc legal tender in Heavens).
Okay, you're doing it again. . .confounding Scripture.Paul uses terminology that describes the action:
He without death 'paid the wages of sin', which is death, that me might be restored ...
I'm not called to participate in Christ's dying for sin.
I receive the benefits of his dying for sin through faith, not participation in his death.?
Or, are you using "participate" to mean the same as "receive"?
Odiousness has degrees. There are things that are more and less odious. And, odiousness is a matter of perspective. One person's execration is another person's delight. The Bible says that the meaning of the cross is an "offense." (Galatians 5:11). To some people it is odious and to the believer it is delightful.
Imagine the most loathsome account of the meaning of the cross. The most detestable, vile, repugnant, and defiling explanation to the carnal man. That meaning is the true, Biblical, and holy meaning of Christ's work on earth.
We must continue to teach Jesus's wrath-bearing substitution even though it is “foolishness to those who are perishing”, because we know that it is the power of God to those who believe and embrace it, resulting in salvation (1 Cor. 1:21). Praise be to Jesus Christ and his marvellous, merciful and delightfully offensive atonement!
I am not saying that you are an unbeliever, but we all must struggle against our carnal nature that would recoil with horror from the Gospel. The true Gospel that Jesus came to herald was one that was so offensive that He pronounced a special blessing on all those who were able to receive it: “And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me” (Luke 7:23). It takes a special blessing not to be offended in Christ.
The above paragraph is a little muddled, you say that Christians "will be unable to believe and be saved", which appears to be an oxymoron.People -- including Christians -- if they hear and understand the true Gospel, and see and hear the true Jesus, will in some measure be offended or will be unable to believe and be saved. Together, we should encourage each other to embrace what would be offensive to the natural man.
And on that list of "some" is Paul the apostle.The above is somewhat true, scripture does speak of the fragrance of Christ and a smell of death:
To God we are the fragrance of Christ, both among those who are being saved and among those who are on the way to destruction; for these last, the smell of death leading to death, but for the first, the smell of life leading to life. Who is equal to such a task? (2 Corinthians 2:15-16)Why do you bring up this notion of odiousness to the unbelieving? The Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) theory is not the gospel; PSA is a doctrine that some teach and that many reject.
You might want to believe that God's wrath was poured out on Jesus Christ while he was suffering on the cross and when he died.
What is the protestant view of the cross again?
I would say those who take tradition over the truth of Scripture..Take your pick
What is the protestant view of the cross again?
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