Why the Protestant Reformation failed

[PaleHorse]

Here is a link to a great webpage that talks about this - and has an interesting note regarding Martin Luther and the Sabbath - pretty cool!

http://www.yashanet.com/library/reformf.htm

 

[SnowBird77]

Ooops!

 

[PaleHorse]

Ooops!

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[SnowBird77]

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No big mystery. I returned and edited my post because I feared being reported and thereafter reprimanded for posting in a forum where I was not to.

 

[PaleHorse]

No big mystery. I returned and edited my post because I feared being reported and thereafter reprimanded for posting in a forum where I was not to.

Oh..okay.

 

[CandleLightSky]

So, in a nutshell, can you just say what the problem is?

What's the deal with the sabbath and SDA anyway? Is it just church on Saturday instead of Sunday and a general contempt for worshipping on Sunday since it's not on saturday which was the original sabbath?

 

[Kyran]

So, in a nutshell, can you just say what the problem is?

I don't think there is a problem, just a link to some interesting information.

What's the deal with the sabbath and SDA anyway?

The Sabbath is the center of the Ten Commandments, since Seventh-day Adventist beleve in that the Ten Commandments are still valid (Fundamental Belief 19) its only natural that we make a fuss about it.

 

[_Origen]

opps, double posted.

 

[_Origen]

The Protestant's have not "failed" as I am a witness to the good things that Protestants have done in the name of Christ. I am actually a non-denominational Christian, but if I should bear a title I will call myself a Pentecostal-Catholic (in the true orthodox sense). Many lost souls have been taught the Gospel by Protestants; in fact, the Protestants have done a better job converting unbelievers to "Christ Jesus" than any cultic Christian sects just convert people from other Christian denominations--as if they are condemned by the Church they attend. There is a song that goes:

"Denomination demolition, lost sight of the great commission."

Keep that in mind as you witness to others.

Ignatius of Antioch sums of the teachings of unity in the Bible quite well in one short sentence:

"Shun division as the beginning of evil."

 

[OntheDL]

Here is a link to a great webpage that talks about this - and has an interesting note regarding Martin Luther and the Sabbath - pretty cool!

http://www.yashanet.com/library/reformf.htm

Yes, the Protestantism failed because of the sabbath issue. The Council of Trent condemned protestantism and mocked its motto of sola scriptura. The Roman Catholic Church concluded the protestant movement was an ambitious movement fighting with the church for superiority.

 

[silkcity]

interesting

i had thought that luther realized and accepted the 10 commandments.

it's still a mystery though, i still don't get why it's so hard to keep such a simple commandment as the 4th.

maybe tradition is stronger than the law of God

 

[winslow]

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[Telaquapacky]

So, in a nutshell, can you just say what the problem is?

What's the deal with the sabbath and SDA anyway? Is it just church on Saturday instead of Sunday and a general contempt for worshipping on Sunday since it's not on saturday which was the original sabbath?

Hi, Candle!

It really isn't about the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment. What Seventh-day Adventism is about is keeping all Ten Commandments, and seeking the Holy Spirit to give us victory over every sin, not just one.

The second reason is, Adventists try to obey God rather than men. If Saturday is the original Sabbath then who presumed the authority to change it except men? Again it's not about a day of worship. It's about where our loyalties are.

 

[repentandbelieve]

interesting

i had thought that luther realized and accepted the 10 commandments.

it's still a mystery though, i still don't get why it's so hard to keep such a simple commandment as the 4th.

maybe tradition is stronger than the law of God

How one should go about obeying the 4th commandment is not as simple as it may sound.

Consider how it was that even Jesus could be accused of as being a sabbath breaker.

There are types of "work" that require they be done on the sabbath.

I'm a police officer. Friday night is the busiest time for fighting crime.

In Gods eyes, is it wrong for someone to serve and protect the public during the sabbath??. i think not

Jesus said that "it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days." Mark 3:4

 

[OntheDL]

How one should go about obeying the 4th commandment is not as simple as it may sound.

Consider how it was that even Jesus could be accused of as being a sabbath breaker.

There are types of "work" that require they be done on the sabbath.

I'm a police officer. Friday night is the busiest time for fighting crime.

In Gods eyes, is it wrong for someone to serve and protect the public during the sabbath??. i think not

Jesus said that "it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days." Mark 3:4

Well, if you think about it, it's actually pretty simple. Just don't do anything on sabbath that can be done on another day. The day is reversed for the Lord.

Now I respect anyone who feels it's a calling for them in the medical field or fire or police departments. While I appreciate what they do, I suspect there will be plenty of other people who will do just as good of a job as you would. So you have a choice there.

 

[repentandbelieve]

Well, if you think about it, it's actually pretty simple. Just don't do anything on sabbath that can be done on another day. The day is reversed for the Lord.

Now I respect anyone who feels it's a calling for them in the medical field or fire or police departments. While I appreciate what they do, I suspect there will be plenty of other people who will do just as good of a job as you would. So you have a choice there.

Some jobs can't wait for another day, they have to be done now. And if it is sinful for me to work on the Sabbath, then it is sinful for my neighbor to do so as well. Regardless of a persons religious faith, sin is sin.

There are many practical lessons in the Word of God. . . . In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Christ showed who is our neighbor. The priest and Levite, whose duty it was to minister to the needs of the stranger, passed by on the other side.

I suspect they justified their choice by saying to themselves "there will be plenty of other people who will do just as good of a job as I would."

Christ denounced every form of hypocrisy, and He fearlessly exposed it. He said that there is more hope for the open sinner than for this class of pious hypocrites.

 

[OntheDL]

Some jobs can't wait for another day, they have to be done now. And if it is sinful for me to work on the Sabbath, then it is sinful for my neighbor to do so as well. Regardless of a persons religious faith, sin is sin.

There are many practical lessons in the Word of God. . . . In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Christ showed who is our neighbor. The priest and Levite, whose duty it was to minister to the needs of the stranger, passed by on the other side.

I suspect they justified their choice by saying to themselves "there will be plenty of other people who will do just as good of a job as I would."

Christ denounced every form of hypocrisy, and He fearlessly exposed it. He said that there is more hope for the open sinner than for this class of pious hypocrites.

No unholy man can keep sabbath holy. There are many that don't even claim to believe in God. The principle of sabbath keeping to do only the things that has to done by you like going to bathroom, changing your baby diapers, help with car trouble if you see someone on the highway...

I don't see being a policeman fit into that catagory. It's something that you have to do. But you don't have to be a policeman.

 

[woobadooba]

I don't see being a policeman fit into that catagory. It's something that you have to do. But you don't have to be a policeman.

So on the Sabbath day all police officers should just stop overseeing the people and allow criminals to have free reign on the people?

 

[OntheDL]

So on the Sabbath day all police officers should just stop overseeing the people and allow criminals to have free reign on the people?

Did you read my posts? That's exactly what I was saying.

 

[repentandbelieve]

No unholy man can keep sabbath holy. There are many that don't even claim to believe in God. The principle of sabbath keeping to do only the things that has to done by you like going to bathroom, changing your baby diapers, help with car trouble if you see someone on the highway...

I don't see being a policeman fit into that catagory. It's something that you have to do. But you don't have to be a policeman.

God has not given any commandments which cannot be obeyed by all. His laws sanction no unreasonable restrictions.

Ministering to humanity is in harmony with the Sabbath law. It is in harmony with the work of God's angels, who are constantly descending and ascending between heaven and earth to minister to humanity.

God's holy rest day was made for man, and acts of serving suffering humanity are in perfect harmony with its intent. God does not desire His creatures to suffer pain from causes that may be relieved upon the Sabbath or any other day.

On the DL, if your interpretation of the law is correct, then God is at fault. God does not wait for the Sabbath to pass before He answers prayer. Heaven's work never ceases, and men should never rest from doing good..