Why the Prophets Must Write

[cybrwurm]

Sometimes - on very rare occasions, to be sure - the light shines so brightly within that we could not stop the flow of words even if we wanted to. At these rare (but joyful) times the Logos-light (ie. the prophetic-spirit of the divine-Logos) kicks into high-gear and makes the process of composition and writing truly effortless. It's a very liberating feeling, for sure, and it often gives the impression that the inspired author really does feel like a *tool* ...
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Ummm, no; what we *really* mean is that this almost-supernatural event is doubtless the cause of brother-Jeremiah's feeling that he is simply taking dictation, and that it is the god that is "actually" doing the writing ... Most of the time, however (and alas), writing is merely "10% inspiration and 90% perspiration" (as some wit once put it). And so we sincerely hope that *every* reader is unable to tell which of my (many and various) writings came from which source! So anyway, the point of all this is to show the Reader the way that inspiration actually works in reality: namely, it VARIES! It waxes and wanes. It comes; and then it goes. And who knows whither or why? Certainly not eye.
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And when it's gone for more than a few days ... *then* I am struck with writer's block, unable to write anything at all. What condition can be worse than being a writer who can't write? ... Why it's a travesty! A mockery, I say! A sham, and a fraud, and murder most foul! So there you go. This is why the prophets call themselves slaves, and worms, and utterly null and void: For *everything* depends upon the Other! And THAT is the secret of true prophecy (christian *and* otherwise).
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- the almost inspired one ~ cybrwurm ;>
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P.S. Historical variations on the same spiritual theme:
Aton, Brahma, Tao, Yahweh, Athena, Sophia, Buddha, Father, Allah!
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... Think about it! :o

 

[josephearl]

P.S. Historical variations on the same spiritual theme:
Aton, Brahma, Tao, Yahweh, Athena, Sophia, Buddha, Father, Allah!

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The difference is these all prophesy from either their own carnal minds or a demonic spirit
except Father if by its use you are speaking of God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and the giver of all true and pure prophetic words by His Holy Spirit.

 

[cybrwurm]

> wurm said: <snip> Historical variations on the same spiritual theme:
> Aton, Brahma, Tao, Yahweh, Athena, Sophia, Buddha, Father, Allah!
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] josephearl say: The difference is these all prophesy from either their own carnal minds
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So then you would agree that Socrates was posessed by a daemon-spirit (as he didst himself claim)?
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] except Father if by its use you are speaking of God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
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Whose name is ABBA, btw ... And *also* called "the Father of Lights" (in the NT).
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] and the giver of all true and pure prophetic words by His Holy Spirit.
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Not sure what you mean by 'pure', josephearl; but I'm rather curious as to why you imagine
that the prophetic-word does not or cannot exist outside of Christianity? It's a rather odd
*assumption* on your part; given that the OT is chock full of all kinds of prophets. Logically,
then, we may safely assume that the god's vision and power are truly universal, such that
*names* are far too small to block the flow of wisdom and truth ...
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Or even grace, for that matter!

 

[x141]

Frequently I hear Father speaking through people who have never darkened the door of a church. But this also, that they do not know what they are speaking just like Caipahas, and Mary, the mother of Jesus when she said They have no wine. Jesus as at the woman at the well had meat to eat that they knew not of. He was freely eating of the tree's of the garden, just not of his.

 

[josephearl]

Actually you have a legitimate point as far as God can speak through whosoever, saved or not. However I am of the mind that a spirit filled person who is walking hand in hand with the Lord will have a word that is purer and truer then anothers. All prophesying in these the closed canon days we are in now must be tested. Satan surely has an easier time speaking words that one might think are from God with an unsaved person as opposed to a Christian with a pure heart. If we are told to test even what Christians prophesy how much more suspect should a heathen's so-called revelation be. Revelation from the second heaven is always flying around in the spirit, satan knows how to make himself heard. This is a main and plain teaching found through out the scripture. I myself will not receive a 'word' from a non-believer. I might file it and wait and see if I hear the same thing from the Spirit myself but that is it. God knows how to speak to me, He has done it thousands and thousands of times.
love, JE

 

[josephearl]

Thats an interesting thought about Mary's words. I take it you are implying that she was actually expressing the Fathers heart at that moment. I myself am leaning more to the idea that Jesus was honoring his mother but it is kind of a sticky position to be overly firm in ones opinion. I would be careful is assuming you are hearing the Father through the heathen. I can see no reason for Him to speak at all through a non-believer to a believer although I would imagine He does at times. It should be a rarity and not the norm. Jesus said He would speak to us through the Holy Spirit and the Lord has placed prophets in the church and we also know that ALL can prophesy. In the context of that last verse it is believers who are the all.
love ya, JE

 

[x141]

When Jesus said, woman what do I have to do with thee, he was speaking like he spoke to Peter. Behind him is wilderness, in front of Him the garden of eden. He gleaned or ate of the father in that moment as for us a picture unfolds testifying of the marriage feast, of becoming One, the desire of God, of this Habitation. Jesus' reply to Mary was my time has not yet come. What he was eating of and what was being revealed around him of his purpose, to finish the work shows us he was communing with the Father while everybody else were oblivous to it. I am starting to see this, at times, around me as well, a returning to the captivity of this One. When you honour your Father you honour your mother. Sincerely though, thank you for your concern, but no worries, I know my Father's voice, I will not follow another, I have one who leads me.

 

[cybrwurm]

] josephearl say: ... I can see no reason for Him to speak at all through
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wurm say: Really? ... Would you like a good reason? How about this > The Lord wants *everyone* to stop living in the darkness, and come into the light of grace and truth. And if this means speaking to people through the knowledge and wisdom of "a non-believer", then who are we to say "No, the Light belongs to us and is ours alone"? ... I have no problem with you wanting to stay pure and faithful to the things you know, josephearl. However, this negative approach to universal wisdom also has a severe down-side ...
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] although I would imagine He does at times. <snip>
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Yes; so then we agree. Such as at this time, when an important observation was made by the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus: "True knowledge derives from existing things." And this radiant gem of wisdom and truth is easily as *sacred* as almost anything you may find in the wisdom-literature section of your bibles. So you see how easy it is for the divine-Logos to generate "sacred text" even from out of minds that you would judge to be non-christian.
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] j: It should be a rarity and not the norm.
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But that's just it, josephearl; it IS the norm! The prophets are everywhere. Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Soren K., William Blake, George Fox, etc, etc. And these are just some of the christian prophets you don't know. There are many more in other cultures, times, and languages that we don't even know about. The divine-Logos is not stingy with the words of truth and grace and wisdom. Just because they are not as authoritative as the NT's top-ten docs does not mean that you are free to just ignore everything else that the divine-Logos speaks through human-beings.
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] j: Jesus said He would speak to us through the Holy Spirit
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And he does. Through inspired prophets all over the world, and through all the ages. A collected pile of all prophectic-literature through history up to the present time would produce a small moutain of sacred and semi-sacred texts! Yes, the Word is *very* prolific. Please do check it out.
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] and the Lord has placed prophets in the church and we also know that ALL can prophesy.
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Read the text, j. All believers can and should *aspire* to be prophets, but not all are called to be the eyes in the head of the body-of-christos (that is, the universal-spiritual church). The body also needs believers who are hands and feet and mouths. But as to who shall be the eyes ... that matter is reserved for the divine-Logos.
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] j: In the context of that last verse it is believers who are the all. love ya, JE
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"the all" ???
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x141 say: ... I know my Father's voice, I will not follow another, I have one who leads me.

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wurm say: So do we, x. We know Jesus Christos as the divine-Logos and "the one teacher", as per the gospel of John. Why then do you close your ears when the Word speaks through other people? This does not seem reasonable. Surely you're not suggesting that your Lord and my Lord are two different Lords?
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Rufus Jones say: "The true and essential Word of God is the divine revelation in the soul of man."

 

[x141]

I am judged of you, cyber, when I am sincere. If flesh is what you see then that is what you are looking for. Many streams make glad the city of God ... Hello Stream! But we speak of the streams that form the river of Life, do we not?