Why the pretense?

[freealaska]

Oh come now...what do you think this busy-body is really opposed to?

(AgapePress) - Some parents with students at Illinois State University want the school to reverse its policy permitting professional staff to engage in unmarried cohabitation in student dormitories.
One father, Greg Myers, says he was outraged to learn that the school's Student Affairs Office allowed his daughter's dorm supervisor to cohabitate with his girlfriend in ISU's Watterson Hall.

Myers' daughter, a senior at ISU, is a resident assistant in the dorm. Like her father, she objects to the staff cohabitation policy because of her Christian beliefs. The university's Housing Services office also permits staff members with same-sex romantic partners to live together in student dorms.

So my question is: Where in the bible does it say you're not allowed to co-habitate with anyone (since apparently they're outraged by both opposite and same-sex people living together). I live with my sister, a straight guy, and a gay guy...how should I die?

 

[sparklecat]

Sounds to me like someone needs to stop trying to impose her beliefs upon the entire student, staff, and professional body of her University. Seriously, what is wrong with people? Don't cohabitate with others if you don't want to, and otherwise mind your own business if nobody's being hurt or forced into anything they don't want. Since, among other things, she was perfectly capable of looking up the policy on cohabitation before attending, and chose to attend anyway, this is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[freealaska]

Sounds to me like someone needs to stop trying to impose her beliefs upon the entire student, staff, and professional body of her University. Seriously, what is wrong with people? Don't cohabitate with others if you don't want to, and otherwise mind your own business if nobody's being hurt or forced into anything they don't want. Since, among other things, she was perfectly capable of looking up the policy on cohabitation before attending, and chose to attend anyway, this is absolutely ludicrous.

...I'm sitting here in a red-and-white checked Gingham dress, and army boots, and you don't think that's a little...crazy?

I'll have to look up ISU's policy on cohabitation but it appears from the article that the policy applies to staff, not students. I could understand a policy forbidding students to cohabitate (although agruably they are legally adults and should be free to make their own choices) but I really don't see what would be accomplished by prohibiting staff from living together provided they both consent.

 

[crazyfingers]

Hmm. Going to church violates my beliefs. Maybe Miss Myers would be willing to stop going to church in order to accomodate my beliefs.

 

[MJ421]

If I were the Dean, I'ld boot Myers and any other complainers. College isn't a place for morons.

 

[freealaska]

Hmm. Going to church violates my beliefs. Maybe Miss Myers would be willing to stop going to church in order to accomodate my beliefs.

I'd be willing to bet even money that she wouldn't...IF gambling didn't violate my beliefs...that gambling is a waste of money. The funny, or sad thing, depending on how you look at it is that these "people" wouldn't see the irony in demanding that you acommodate their "rights" while simultaneously refusing to even acknowlege yours. Funnier/sadder still even though they are always the ones doing the attacking, YOU are the one who is being intolerant and is persecuting them.

Sometimes I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

If your not going to attend a Christian college/university not much you can say about it.

 

[Lycaenidae]

One father, Greg Myers, says he was outraged to learn that the school's Student Affairs Office allowed his daughter's dorm supervisor to cohabitate with his girlfriend in ISU's Watterson Hall.

I'm outraged that the university doesn't play Mommy to all its employees.

 

[Mereni]

If the employees and staff want to live together outside of marriage, what's the big deal about doing it off of the campus grounds? If you want to smoke pot, do it off the grounds. If you want to drink, do it off the campus grounds. If you want to shack up with one more more persons, and have sex with them, do it off campus grounds. I think that's only fair bein that the campus has 17-20 year olds who can't drink and who are supposed to be easily influenced by older peers or teachers.

I don't live on campus. I live with my folks. I'd rather live with them then live on campus. If I wanted I could share an apartment with friends like I did this summer, but the folks aren't so bad, plus I can save money. What's the point of living on a campus if you're not a student?

 

[flicka]

I think it's hysterical. There is no reason the school has to have a policy to protect the so-called 'innocence' of adults living on campus away from home (and make no mistake, an 18 year old is an adult). Does this father not realize the amount of sex taking place within the dorms between students? How is living with someone going to hurt? IT IS NOT ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL TO LIVE TOGETHER AND THOSE WHO THINK IT IS SHOULD INSULATE THEMSELVES FROM THE WORLD.

 

[Lycaenidae]

If the employees and staff want to live together outside of marriage, what's the big deal about doing it off of the campus grounds? If you want to smoke pot, do it off the grounds. If you want to drink, do it off the campus grounds. If you want to shack up with one more more persons, and have sex with them, do it off campus grounds. I think that's only fair bein that the campus has 17-20 year olds who can't drink and who are supposed to be easily influenced by older peers or teachers.

I don't live on campus. I live with my folks. I'd rather live with them then live on campus. If I wanted I could share an apartment with friends like I did this summer, but the folks aren't so bad, plus I can save money. What's the point of living on a campus if you're not a student?

Because they're the dorm managers. My undergrad school also had faculty/staff living in dorms as dorm managers.

 

[MoonlessNight]

If the employees and staff want to live together outside of marriage, what's the big deal about doing it off of the campus grounds? If you want to smoke pot, do it off the grounds. If you want to drink, do it off the campus grounds. If you want to shack up with one more more persons, and have sex with them, do it off campus grounds. I think that's only fair bein that the campus has 17-20 year olds who can't drink and who are supposed to be easily influenced by older peers or teachers.

I don't live on campus. I live with my folks. I'd rather live with them then live on campus. If I wanted I could share an apartment with friends like I did this summer, but the folks aren't so bad, plus I can save money. What's the point of living on a campus if you're not a student?

I would normally agree with this, but it's a bit more troublesome at a state school. If it was a private university dedicated to promoting a form of morality that condemned unmarried cohabitation, then sure. But at a public school that makes no claim of promoting morality, its a completley different story.

I think the best thing for the daughter is to transfer to another school. Though if she is in her later years, that's a real pain so it might be better for her to accept that she made the wrong choice for a school and deal with it until graduation. Perhaps she could speak with the people who are doing something that she disagrees with directly. It will probably do no good, but if she wants to make a point, that's probably the way to do it in her situation. And it would at least show that she cares about the issue enough to do more than just sit back and idly complain about it.

 

[Superpants]

quote: "Sounds to me like someone needs to stop trying to impose her beliefs upon the entire student, staff, and professional body of her University."

why is this such a ubiquitous view? a founding principle of america is the right to try to impose your view on others. sure, it's ok to impose your view if you are a feminist, support homosexuals, etc. but if you have a conservative view, suddenly it's wrong and terrible to impose your view. give me a break.

 

[JulySheMustFly]

Oh come now...what do you think this busy-body is really opposed to?



So my question is: Where in the bible does it say you're not allowed to co-habitate with anyone (since apparently they're outraged by both opposite and same-sex people living together). I live with my sister, a straight guy, and a gay guy...how should I die?

Ahhhh! If you can't deal with the way the world lives at college don't go to a state school. Go to oh I can think of a few that are perfect for people who need to live in a whole but I wont name them. Anyhow, go to a strict Christian school. BTW, just because you co-habitate with someone doesn't always mean you're gonna do something with them. I considered living with a guy as a room-mate before I married my fiance only because I really don't like living with women. Once I was married my husband and I also considered renting a house with a friend of his who was single and male. Would that be wrong? I don't think so.

 

[The Seeker]

quote: "Sounds to me like someone needs to stop trying to impose her beliefs upon the entire student, staff, and professional body of her University."

why is this such a ubiquitous view? a founding principle of america is the right to try to impose your view on others. sure, it's ok to impose your view if you are a feminist, support homosexuals, etc. but if you have a conservative view, suddenly it's wrong and terrible to impose your view. give me a break.

Subtle

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

quote: "Sounds to me like someone needs to stop trying to impose her beliefs upon the entire student, staff, and professional body of her University."

why is this such a ubiquitous view? a founding principle of america is the right to try to impose your view on others. sure, it's ok to impose your view if you are a feminist, support homosexuals, etc. but if you have a conservative view, suddenly it's wrong and terrible to impose your view. give me a break.

May I ask what view homosexuals or feminists have tried to make you live by? Just wondering if there actually were any, or if you were just making stuff up.

 

[Ganymede]

.... I live with my sister, a straight guy, and a gay guy...how should I die?

Whooo boy! You're really in for it.

 

[Verv]

Oh come now...what do you think this busy-body is really opposed to?



So my question is: Where in the bible does it say you're not allowed to co-habitate with anyone (since apparently they're outraged by both opposite and same-sex people living together). I live with my sister, a straight guy, and a gay guy...how should I die?

It is not about sin and putting someone down for something like that.

I can tell you that you should only have sex with the person with whom you are married (because you have become of one flesh). Otherwise it risks adultery by having sex with someone who is not your wife.

He does not want his daughter in a place where she would theoretically be allowed to live with her boyfriend before marriage. That is his call. I think that if he raised his daughter correctly, it is not even an issue, and so I do not think that he should complain so vocally.

However, I do say that it is the right of everyone to speak out against what they oppose.

 

[TeddyKGB]

If the employees and staff want to live together outside of marriage, what's the big deal about doing it off of the campus grounds? If you want to smoke pot, do it off the grounds. If you want to drink, do it off the campus grounds. If you want to shack up with one more more persons, and have sex with them, do it off campus grounds. I think that's only fair bein that the campus has 17-20 year olds who can't drink and who are supposed to be easily influenced by older peers or teachers.

Okay, allowing drugs (which are already illegal) and alcohol in campus housing can put the under-21 crowd in a legally compromising position.

And allowing housing staff to live with their significant others does... what, exactly?

 

[Yusuf Evans]

If two adults want to live together, I'm fine with that. If they're having pre-marital sex, I will disagree, but that's their choice. What I do have a problem with, is that the Professionals at the college are living with students inside of the dormitories. I'm sorry, but aren't they professors and counselors and administrators of the university, leaders that they are supposed to look up to. How can you respect your professor when he's sleeping in the same room as one of your fellow students? How can you be reprimanded by the Dean, when he's over partying at the sorority or fraternity next door. It's not an issue of biblical morality, but one of professional ethics.



If they want to live their personal lives off the campus, away from fellow students and/or co-workers, that's their choice, but not on campus.