Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

[LittleNipper]

I'm new so I can't post the link (do some Googling if you want) but, of course, there's strong scientific evidence indicating that most men who "hate" gays are substantially more stimulated by homoerotic images than are straight men who have no problem with gay men. So presumably, to answer the OP somewhat, the most vitriolic of those negatively "obsessed" with homosexuality have suppressed gay tendencies themselves.

Makes sense any way you cut it, really. Of course if you were trying desperately to bottle something up within yourself, subconsciously or otherwise, you'd also tend to attack and loathe it in other people... because if you accept it in them, you might end up accepting it in yourself, horror of horrors...

Well, likely the one group doesn't wish to be placed in a situation where they might be tempted and the other group doesn't care if they are tempted or not. And the point is? Do you think sex with children and between children is okay? What if I told you that subconsciously if you find such a thought appalling that means that you really, really want to have sex with babies and then there are those who could care less.....

See how evil all this is? Call good evil and evil good.... It's a sign of the times.

 

[selfinflikted]

Well, likely the one group doesn't wish to be placed in a situation where they might be tempted and the other group doesn't care if they are tempted or not. And the point is? Do you think sex with children and between children is okay? What if I told you that subconsciously if you find such a thought appalling that means that you really, really want to have sex with babies and then there are those who could care less.....

See how evil all this is? Call good evil and evil good.... It's a sign of the times.

Just as an aside, and because now my curiosity is piqued..

If you were in a room full of hot gay men, LN, would you be tempted?

 

[seeker777]

Very fair question....the only place I ever come across this obsession is on Christian Forums...unfortunately, it's a very sad comment in general.

Most people could care less what others choose to do in the bedrooms with other consenting adults.

 

[Washington]

Very fair question....the only place I ever come across this obsession is on Christian Forums...unfortunately, it's a very sad comment in general.

Most people could care less what others choose to do in the bedrooms with other consenting adults.

You're absolutely correct. It's people who feel the need to poke their noses into private affairs and impose their beliefs on others. It's simple arrogance that's taken to unjustified extremes. But that's been one of the hallmarks of religious surety: it's justification enough to beat others over the head. "I have the right to tell you what to do because I believe I have, and that's reason enough."

 

[ChaliceThunder]

You're absolutely correct. It's people who feel the need to poke their noses into private affairs and impose their beliefs on others. It's simple arrogance that's taken to unjustified extremes. But that's been one of the hallmarks of religious surety: it's justification enough to beat others over the head. "I have the right to tell you what to do because I believe I have, and that's reason enough."

Agreed.

And one might take it even further to have them say:

"I'm scared of God because I read the bible literally, so even though I know deep down that I am gay, I must repress that so God won't smite me. And since I'm not being true to myself, none of y'all get to be true to yourselves either."

 

[Beanieboy]

Jesus also told them
go, and sin no more

I don't understand.
A bunch of men are about to stone a woman to death, victimizing the woman while trying to entrap Jesus.
Jesus tells the man who is without sin to cast the first stone. None can.
Then, Jesus, who is without sin, does not cast any stones, but forgives, and then tells her that she is free, and not to sin no more.

And all that you got out of that was that he told her not to do it again?

You missed the grace? You missed the forgiveness? You missed how Jesus put the men who were trying to entrap him, the son of God, in their place by humbling him?

All you take away is, "He also said, "Go and sin no more"?
You think that was the point of the story?????

 

[Trevorocity]

Its a curious inconsistency in their argument but I've noticed that some "Christians" think more about the gay sex than I do. And I'm gay. I'm not the one making sex the focus of my life. That's them.

 

[InigoMontoja]

Since when did blatant lying become en vogue within the christian community?

Polycarp_fan is right, you know.

 

[Big Empty Circle]

Well, likely the one group doesn't wish to be placed in a situation where they might be tempted and the other group doesn't care if they are tempted or not. And the point is? Do you think sex with children and between children is okay? What if I told you that subconsciously if you find such a thought appalling that means that you really, really want to have sex with babies and then there are those who could care less.....

See how evil all this is? Call good evil and evil good.... It's a sign of the times.

Maybe you didn't understand the studies I was referring to. Some straight men who professed to hate homosexuals, and some who didn't, were each in turn wired with sensors and then shown "gay porn." The sexual arousal of the straight men who had no particular animosity towards gays (as observed, visually, by the attending scientists and as measured by the equipment) was little to none while watching. The arousal of the anti-gay men was consistently much more noticeable (and must have been even to the men themselves, as even the scientists observing could see their, uh, excitement.)

Point being: if you're a man who hates gay people, there's a good chance that gay porn turns you on. Though the punchline is that on the post-experimental questionnaire, when asked "How much were you aroused by the images you were shown?" the anti-gay men all said "Not at all" in spite of the pretty unambiguous evidence to the contrary.

Where is temptation a factor in that? And, if you could demonstrate that people who hated child molestation were actually more aroused by child pornography than those who didn't care about child molestation, well, that'd be saying something. But you have no such evidence as far as I know. So "what if you told me that?" I'd laugh and ask you where you got such a ridiculous idea. And you'd have nothing to support it, whereas mine is born out by scientific observation (like I said, if I wasn't new I could give you a link. Try Google if you want to read more; I think there's even a good Discovery Channel clip about it on YouTube.)

Like I said, I think it's pretty easy to see why there are people so obsessive and hateful towards queer people. In many cases (not all) they're probably struggling with their own sexualities and have to "bash" homosexuality wherever they see it to remain secure -- whether in themselves or someone else. Males in our society, after all, are conditioned from a very early age to know that acting like a "sissy" or a "girl" will result in teasing, shunning, even violence from their peers. So once they reach puberty and liking women becomes a central ideal of this constructed masculinity, they learn that to protect themselves socially, emotionally, and physically, they have to make ostentatious outward expressions of disapproval of anything deviant from this ideal -- "gay," in other words. It's actually amazing that any of them manage to come out at all.

 

[Verv]

We talk about it more because we simply disagree on the topic and then we can discuss it.

If we had threads on 'not stealing,' 'not killing' and 'love your neighbor as yourself' there would be not much debate with these Christian values.

 

[seeker777]

I recall that about 5 years ago, I accepted without question that homosexuality was absolutely sinful, unnatural and wrong. I remember telling someone with complete sincerity that homosexuality was a choice in the vast majority of cases.

The problem was that I never took the time to think about the person who is homosexual.

I have slowly started to think about those who are homosexuals, and I have to say that my attitudes are certainly starting to change.

Today I do believe that there are people who for whatever reason do make the choice to engage in a homosexual lifestyle. That aside, I am certain that absolute vast majority of people who engage in a homosexual lifestyle, were in fact born that way.

I recently watched an episode of ' Intervention' where a woman who is a lesbian was also a drug addict. Her entire family was telling her that her ' lifestyle' was unacceptable, sinful and wrong in the eyes of God. What her family called a lifestyle, was in fact who she was, a person who always knew they were a lesbian. You could see the terrible pain that woman's eyes that her family didn't accept her and they believed that God didn't accept her....yet, she also knew she was physically attracted to women. Clearly, a light bulb went off in my head and I started to think things through.

I know personally a female who is married to a female....one of the partners used to be married to a man and had children. These two women by all accounts, are in a committed relationship and are legally married( Canada). I also know a female who is married to another woman and they have an adopted 4 year old...they have willingly adopted an abandoned baby from ( most likely) a heterosexual.

Coincidentally, I also work with quite a few lesbians ( I work in a large place) and they all seem pretty normal....some of them are " tougher" than most women....but they all seem like normal people....just that they are attracted to the same sex.

Lastly, I used to think that homosexuality was unnatural, but then I found out that there are quite a few homosexual animals in the animal kingdom that engage in this behaviour...( just visit National Geographic...and no it's not a Gay conspiracy!)

Do I work with Gay men? Probably, but if I do, they are still in the closet. It seems more socially acceptable for a woman to come out of the closet than a man...but that's just my observation.

So, all of this to say....it is not as clear cut as one may believe.

Did I mention that the father in the Intervention episode, he left his wife in an affair, although he was disgusted by his daughter's sin....he seemed Ok with his sin...

Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?


This is what I am starting to try and do....but I admit, it is very hard....old prejudices are hard to shake off.

 

[CCGirl]

I believe those who are obsessed with homosexuality have deep down feelings for those of the same sex (ie:Ted Haggard).

 

[TheManeki]

Maybe you didn't understand the studies I was referring to. Some straight men who professed to hate homosexuals, and some who didn't, were each in turn wired with sensors and then shown "gay porn." The sexual arousal of the straight men who had no particular animosity towards gays (as observed, visually, by the attending scientists and as measured by the equipment) was little to none while watching. The arousal of the anti-gay men was consistently much more noticeable (and must have been even to the men themselves, as even the scientists observing could see their, uh, excitement.)

Is this what you're looking for?

Link established between homophobia and homosexual arousal
http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf

 

[Exhausted]

America and Americanized countries have a lot of issues with sexuality. Indeed, a lot of the monotheistic religions have a lot of problems.

America especially, because of the Puritans, because of Paul, is screwed up, and so homosexuals, who engage in nonstandard sexual activities, which violate the comfort zones of repressed men and embittered women, suffer.

It's really got nothing to due with the religious beliefs of the persecutors, except in that the beliefs of their parents and culture pervert their sexual development, and then they use those same beliefs to lash out at others.


Abstinence-only movements, chastity movements, and the homophobia movement are really one in the same. Sadly.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Since when did blatant lying become en vogue within the christian community?

When people started trying to sell that homosexuality is condoned and/or promoted in the Bible and can be celebrated in the Church. Visit Soulforce and GayChristian101 and see lies en vogue. It is Humanism and not Christian truth to push the Gay Agenda into Churches. Read the Humanist Manifesto for promotion of homosexuality. You'll never find it in the Bible.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I believe those who are obsessed with homosexuality have deep down feelings for those of the same sex (ie:Ted Haggard).

This canard is tried over and over again by those promoting gay causes to scare away and silence anyone trying to protect fellow Christians from the GLBT culture and community. It's interesting that the technique is tried seeing that reinforces the repugnance aspect of homosexuality.

Of course this nonsense means that Jesus secretly wanted to be a sinner. Also, anyone wanting a crime free neighborhood also secrectly desires to be the local burglar.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

America and Americanized countries have a lot of issues with sexuality. Indeed, a lot of the monotheistic religions have a lot of problems.

America especially, because of the Puritans, because of Paul, is screwed up, and so homosexuals, who engage in nonstandard sexual activities, which violate the comfort zones of repressed men and embittered women, suffer.

It's really got nothing to due with the religious beliefs of the persecutors, except in that the beliefs of their parents and culture pervert their sexual development, and then they use those same beliefs to lash out at others.


Abstinence-only movements, chastity movements, and the homophobia movement are really one in the same. Sadly.

Fascinating, you usually do not get such honesty and outright declaration of the unfettered promiscuity and sexual licentiouness sought by the GLBT culture. Ceratinly it is not sad to desire that children be free from sexual predators seeking sex partner after sex partner. I see the assertions about the unrestrained sexual behaviors of the GLBT culture are indeed very true.

 

[Exhausted]

Fascinating, you usually do not get such honesty and outright declaration of the unfettered promiscuity and sexual licentiouness sought by the GLBT culture. Ceratinly it is not sad to desire that children be free from sexual predators seeking sex partner after sex partner. I see the assertions about the unrestrained sexual behaviors of the GLBT culture are indeed very true.

The gap between wanting a healthy sexuality and your attempts to demonize what you (I guess?) do not understand is vast.

You're new, and spouting this stuff will not win you many friends, Poly. Nor will it win you converts. (Are you seeking converts? If not, nevermind.)

Frankly my posting ties in with the "homophobes are really gay" argument already linked. Obviously this is painting homophobia with broad strokes and I don't think that every homophobe is a secret gay who does drugs and male prostitutes.

However the correlation has been linked elsewhere in the thread and really it does make sense. I believe there's a psychological term but I simply cannot recall it.

Really though if the medical community can ever fix up those STDs, and if the "moral" community can stop making morning-after pills hard to access, then yes, I am totally in favor of as much consenting intercourse as possible.

I am also fairly straight, though. I won't get into the fairly, because my occasional thoughts about being protected by a male figure are neither here or there.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The gap between wanting a healthy sexuality and your attempts to demonize what you (I guess?) do not understand is vast.

You're new, and spouting this stuff will not win you many friends, Poly. Nor will it win you converts. (Are you seeking converts? If not, nevermind.)

I'm just contending for the faith against the gay train coming at the Church. I am not an evangelist. I just want gays to know they are not going to get recruits in decent Christian Churches. I'm OK with letting observers make up there own minds. I have presented scripture after scripture showing gay theology as nonsense at best. I'm not here for gay freinds. The scriptures urge me to not yoke myself with unbelievers. Believe that or not. My position could change if God wills it. But I know for a fact that scripture is not going to change and promote gay sex and gay marriage.

Frankly my posting ties in with the "homophobes are really gay" argument already linked. Obviously this is painting homophobia with broad strokes and I don't think that every homophobe is a secret gay who does drugs and male prostitutes.

Then Jesus is the biggest wanna be sinner in history if that gay logic is to be solid. He surely desired to be around them and to tell them to stop.

Homophobia is a neologism developed to silence dissent of gay sex and humanism. There is definately a gay agenda. That word proves it.

However the correlation has been linked elsewhere in the thread and really it does make sense. I believe there's a psychological term but I simply cannot recall it.

Really though if the medical community can ever fix up those STDs, and if the "moral" community can stop making morning-after pills hard to access, then yes, I am totally in favor of as much consenting intercourse as possible.

Spoken like a typical gay bar hopper. And bathroom cruiser all over Florida I'm sure.

I am also fairly straight, though. I won't get into the fairly, because my occasional thoughts about being protected by a male figure are neither here or there.

Forgiveness of sins is only a hate crime to the GLBT community and its culture and all of its non and anti-Christian supporters.

 

[Exhausted]

Well I recall hearing something about this "hate the sin, not the sinner" idea. It sounds rather intriguing.

You make the idea of a gay agenda sound very bad. Like a conspiracy theory. But really all movements have "agendas" don't they? The Christian agenda? The liberal agenda? Etc etc.

Gays want their unions to be state recognized. And they would like it if they could maybe discriminated against less? It's all legal, not really much to with religion in general, although I'm sure there are many who would like gays and Christian movements to one day get along.

This is "ethics and morality" by the way. Although it is on Christian Forums, the name of the subsection we are in is not "Christian ethics ans morality as dictated by the bible" so I guess really your scripture, while logical from a religious perspective, is not really going to do a lot of good in convincing people.

I should again note that I am pro-crazy-sex first, and pro-gayness second. At the moment. This is really all just a set of beliefs I am making up to contrast your posts. Although that does not mean that it's all been false. Just pieces of it maybe.

Well yes I guess homophobia is a new word, or at least it is a word with a new connotation. I mean, I thought that thing happened all the time in language.

On your Jesus must have wanted to be a sinner point, again, of course, we are generalizing. I made that clear, I hope, in my previous post. There is a correlation. I hardly mean to imply that everyone against something secretly longs to do that thing. My apologies if it came out wrong.

I am going to be honest here though Poly. I completely fail to see any reason for your presence here beyond giving gays and gay sympathizers someone to rally against. The only way I can make sense of you is unbelievable naivety, or a strawman come to life.