Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

I don't know. On another "christian" board, people there wanted to bring back the death penalty for gays, according to Leviticus. Bob Enyart, a "christian" evangelical radio talk show host, used to have a site called ShadowGov. On the site, in the 1st 100 days in office in his fantasy as president, where he replaced the Constitution with the bible, he would execute all gays and anyone who had committed adultery. (Ironically, that would entail himself being executed.)

I think there are people who openly hate gay people, and kill them. Then there are others who shamelessly hide behind the bible, and claim that it is God's hatred, and not their own, and God's will that they be executed, and not their own sinful, murderous hearts.

seeker777 · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
I don't know. On another "christian" board, people there wanted to bring back the death penalty for gays, according to Leviticus. Bob Enyart, a "christian" evangelical radio talk show host, used to have a site called ShadowGov. On the site, in the 1st 100 days in office in his fantasy as president, where he replaced the Constitution with the bible, he would execute all gays and anyone who had committed adultery. (Ironically, that would entail himself being executed.)

I think there are people who openly hate gay people, and kill them. Then there are others who shamelessly hide behind the bible, and claim that it is God's hatred, and not their own, and God's will that they be executed, and not their own sinful, murderous hearts.

You make some good points.

When reading the anti-homosexual posts, many are filled with such vitriol that one can only wonder if the poster is motivated by a deep rooted hatred, disgust and not as they claim. that they are a Christian innocently pointing out there fellow mans sin.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
I don't know. On another "christian" board, people there wanted to bring back the death penalty for gays, according to Leviticus. Bob Enyart, a "christian" evangelical radio talk show host, used to have a site called ShadowGov. On the site, in the 1st 100 days in office in his fantasy as president, where he replaced the Constitution with the bible, he would execute all gays and anyone who had committed adultery. (Ironically, that would entail himself being executed.)

I think there are people who openly hate gay people, and kill them. Then there are others who shamelessly hide behind the bible, and claim that it is God's hatred, and not their own, and God's will that they be executed, and not their own sinful, murderous hearts.

As you wrote this, Christians in many places in the world were killed for just being Christians. Christians find homosexuality repugnant and always will, but murdering people for not wanting to become Christians is not going be a position "in the Church," for any reason.

You GLBT's have access to every child in every school in America and Europe and are heroes on TV and in the movies. Christians have no voice at all about that. And the situation in the schools have been implemented BY LAWS.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

wanderingone said:
That's fine but the adulterer can freely marry in a civil ceremony provided he or she is not homosexual.

And we see that homosexuality can only find comparison in and to other sins.

Whatever happens in SECULAR society, know that in the Christian Community, sins must be repented of.

Do the math. And quit calling us homophobes and hate crime proponents. There are no adulterers trying to sue us and legislate our silence for the correct Biblical stance on sins and sinning. And, no "promiscuity orientation" excuse coming from the adulterers either.

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
As you wrote this, Christians in many places in the world were killed for just being Christians. Christians find homosexuality repugnant and always will, but murdering people for not wanting to become Christians is not going be a position "in the Church," for any reason.
.

Murdering people according to Levitical Law is, however.
I'm not sure why you suddenly ignore Leviticus, and how some interpret that.

He tells News 11 homosexuality should be a felony, punishable by death. “Just like we have laws against murder, we have laws against stealing, we have laws against taking drugs -- we should have laws against immoral conduct,” Keiser says.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/250223.htm

If gays are calling for the death penalty of Christians in the US, then we have something to discuss.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

PetersKeys said:
The Catholic and Orthodox don't support remarriage, and getting an annulment is only under extreme conditions. Don't tag that on all christians simply because a few denominations re-marry people like its nothing.

Well a sound Biblical point of view. I doubt reality is going to do much good to most of the positions held here. But don't keep silent about the truth!!!!!

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

Here's an article from the Village Voice that seems to suggest a murderer who is gay is like "sending a kid into a candy store."
http://www.ccadp.org/deathpenalty-homophobia.htm

Does this happen to Christians, too?

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

HannahBanana said:
Actually, it is condemning them, since you're faulting them for something they didn't even choose (just like I didn't choose to be a bisexual).

How "convenient" a theory that is. from Darwin to the Humanist Manifesto to voila! a sexual orientation excuse. The slippery slide logical fact proven over and over again as such.

And drug addictions are harmful. Since when is homosexuality or bisexuality harmful?

How many times do you see the letters STD and refuse to see that they represent words and behaviors and consequences??????

Do you honestly think that all homosexuals or bisexuals will eventually get AIDS? Do you not realize that AIDS is being spread within the straight community, too?

It got there from gays to bi-sexuals to straights. The math is that simple. And this is the reason why we reject GLBT culture in the Church.

Also, why does your wife worry about your gay friends' health and well-being? Does she have any reason to think that they'll end up being irresponsible about either their health or their well-being?

Maybe she fears that her husband will need blood during a surgery or, will be a good Christian (or Good Samaritan) and give first aid to a gay or bi-sexual person someday. And with "Lesbians" their naming themselves after a female pederast (Sappho) should be an alarm to every decent parent in society.

Gay men are adults, you know, and they have just as much of an ability to take care of themselves as anyone else does. They don't need anyone worrying about them just because they're gay. That just stinks of arrogance, and it will just make them dislike you.

AIDS is now more common in the heterosexual community than it was and is in the gay community. That just smells of fact. Maybe we should just redefine, er I mean "reinterpret" Biblical and social views and hold promiscuity as sodomy and get on the straight path to reality.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
Murdering people according to Levitical Law is, however.
I'm not sure why you suddenly ignore Leviticus, and how some interpret that.

Jesus told us to.

Also, Peter had a dream about foods that were unclean being OK'd and BTW, didn't have one about gay sex.

If gays are calling for the death penalty of Christians in the US, then we have something to discuss.

You can't recruit dead people. We know what gays want. We get out of our Churches six days a week.

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

The Death Penalty for Homosexuality

Among the hardest core of the Religious Right are those who embrace "reconstructionism," which advocates imposing a radically fundamentalist interpretation of "Biblical law" onto American society. On the September 4, 1998 Armstrong Williams talk show, Colorado talk-radio personality Bob Enyard called for the death penalty for gays and adulterers. Last year, a Christian radio talk-show host in Costa Mesa, California said, "Lesbian love, sodomy are viewed by God as being detestable and abominable. Civil magistrates are to put people to death who practice these things." The announcer urged listeners to contact legislators and ask that they enact capital punishment for homosexuality. The station manager called the program "an honest dialogue concerning Christian beliefs." Congressional candidate Randall Terry, former head of Operation Rescue, extends this view of "Biblical law" to include "Biblical slavery" and capital punishment for rebellious teenagers.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=2049

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
I don't know. On another "christian" board, people there wanted to bring back the death penalty for gays . . .

BB, give me the url and I will oppose these people with the same New Testament that opposes same-gender sexual behavior for Christians to engage in.

Not one place in the New Testament is any follower of Christ supposed to kill non and an anti-Christians. Looking at the position they were in with Nero (a gay and/or bi-sexual man) killing them for no reason at all, you would think one or two of the Apostles would call out the army or something. But, truth won out over politics. Hmm, I smell a lesson here.

Maren · Jun 23, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
As you wrote this, Christians in many places in the world were killed for just being Christians. Christians find homosexuality repugnant and always will, but murdering people for not wanting to become Christians is not going be a position "in the Church," for any reason.

Yet every gay and lesbian I know of on these forums objects to the killing of Christians -- unfortunately I can't say the same about Christians and the killing of gays. In fact, there have been some rather long threads in the politics area by a Christian that believes government should execute all homosexuals.

Polycarp_fan said:
You GLBT's have access to every child in every school in America and Europe and are heroes on TV and in the movies. Christians have no voice at all about that. And the situation in the schools have been implemented BY LAWS.

You have yet to provide any evidence for this. The fact is that homosexuals do not have access to most schools in America or Europe. That teachers in some areas teach that if a person has two mommies or two daddies the should not be picked on by other students is not teaching acceptance of homosexuality; it is an attempt to prevent bullying. Some area also teach safe sex techniques, which are just as applicable (in fact, statistically more applicable) to heterosexuals as to homosexuals -- they do not teach kids that they should be either orientation.

And homosexuals are just as often the villain in TV or movies as they are the heroes.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
The Death Penalty for Homosexuality

Among the hardest core of the Religious Right

What does that mean? "Religious Right?"

[/quote]. . . are those who embrace "reconstructionism," which advocates imposing a radically fundamentalist interpretation of "Biblical law" onto American society.[/quote]

How can you "reconstruct" what has never existed?

On the September 4, 1998 Armstrong Williams talk show, Colorado talk-radio personality Bob Enyard called for the death penalty for gays and adulterers. Last year, a Christian radio talk-show host in Costa Mesa, California said, "Lesbian love, sodomy are viewed by God as being detestable and abominable. Civil magistrates are to put people to death who practice these things."

"Civil magistrates." Christians are not civil magistrates, they are Christians. And I notice that you GLBT's are appealing to "Civil Magistrates" for your radical agenda as we speak. I'm happy to let you battle it out with these other "radicals."

Love won out for the rest of Christian history. But sorry, this doesn't promote gay sex.

. . . The announcer urged listeners to contact legislators and ask that they enact capital punishment for homosexuality.

IN CALIFORNIA??? I thought George Carlin was dead. The state is pure gay agenda 24/7. Your comedy routine isn't funny.

". . .The station manager called the program "an honest dialogue concerning Christian beliefs." Congressional candidate Randall Terry, former head of Operation Rescue, extends this view of "Biblical law" to include "Biblical slavery" and capital punishment for rebellious teenagers.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=2049[/quote]

Well, as "fundamentalist" as I am on the New Testament witness, like homosexuality, there is no support for killing people "OR," imposing Christianity on non and anti-Christians. Read the Gospels for yourself and see if you can find either support for gay marriage or killing anybody, in the Christianity written about in the canon of the NT? What is happening to morality and perversion in society was predicted to happen. Gay sex becoming a popular fad, has nothing to do with anyone hating GLBT's.

Maren · Jun 23, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
BB, give me the url and I will oppose these people with the same New Testament that opposes same-gender sexual behavior for Christians to engage in.

Not one place in the New Testament is any follower of Christ supposed to kill non and an anti-Christians. Looking at the position they were in with Nero (a gay and/or bi-sexual man) killing them for no reason at all, you would think one or two of the Apostles would call out the army or something. But, truth won out over politics. Hmm, I smell a lesson here.

How about opposing it here on Christian Forums on this thread.

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
BB, give me the url and I will oppose these people with the same New Testament that opposes same-gender sexual behavior for Christians to engage in.

Not one place in the New Testament is any follower of Christ supposed to kill non and an anti-Christians. Looking at the position they were in with Nero (a gay and/or bi-sexual man) killing them for no reason at all, you would think one or two of the Apostles would call out the army or something. But, truth won out over politics. Hmm, I smell a lesson here.

http://www.theologyonline.com/

Try this. Pose as a homosexual. Post for a week or so. Then tell me if how you are treated is in keeping with Christianity. Then, think about what we go through every day.

Beanieboy · Jun 23, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
What does that mean? "Religious Right?"

. . . are those who embrace "reconstructionism," which advocates imposing a radically fundamentalist interpretation of "Biblical law" onto American society

How can you "reconstruct" what has never existed?

"Civil magistrates." Christians are not civil magistrates, they are Christians. And I notice that you GLBT's are appealing to "Civil Magistrates" for your radical agenda as we speak. I'm happy to let you battle it out with these other "radicals."

Love won out for the rest of Christian history. But sorry, this doesn't promote gay sex.

IN CALIFORNIA??? I thought George Carlin was dead. The state is pure gay agenda 24/7. Your comedy routine isn't funny.

". . .The station manager called the program "an honest dialogue concerning Christian beliefs." Congressional candidate Randall Terry, former head of Operation Rescue, extends this view of "Biblical law" to include "Biblical slavery" and capital punishment for rebellious teenagers.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=2049

Well, as "fundamentalist" as I am on the New Testament witness, like homosexuality, there is no support for killing people "OR," imposing Christianity on non and anti-Christians. Read the Gospels for yourself and see if you can find either support for gay marriage or killing anybody, in the Christianity written about in the canon of the NT? What is happening to morality and perversion in society was predicted to happen. Gay sex becoming a popular fad, has nothing to do with anyone hating GLBT's.

I don't understand you, exactly.

You tell me that Christianity doesn't call for killing of homosexuals.
I show you an instance where a christian talk show host says that very thing, and calls for his listeners to contact their legislature to make execution of gays in the US a law, and you seem to simply ignore it.

Do you think that his listeners don't respond to him? That they don't take what he says to heart? Or do you simply not care if there are people that claim to be Christian actively calling for the execution of gay people? Or do you not care about the lives of gay people?

Everytime you call for proof, you simply ignore it, rather than examine it, argue it away, or go off on a tangent, rather than really think about what the implications are to the gay community, and the image that such people make on the Church itself.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Maren said:
Yet every gay and lesbian I know of on these forums objects to the killing of Christians --

You can't recruit dead people. Even gay adoption can't produce enough of what fuels the gay agenda.

. . . unfortunately I can't say the same about Christians and the killing of gays. In fact, there have been some rather long threads in the politics area by a Christian that believes government should execute all homosexuals.

And, like GLBT's they have no basis of support for their behaviors from the New testament writings. They have to make theology up to support their position. I see why the hatred exists between these two camps. Falsw witness makes anyone bitter. I oppose violence even more than I do gay goals.

You have yet to provide any evidence for this.

MassResstance and Americans for Truth and the Traditional Family Values people literally do this and get labeled as hate groups for showing reality in photos and reporting of facts. I'll get banned from here if I use real photos from these orgs. How convenient the ways of the gay agenda. Any opposition is labeled a crime and silenced. How early 20th century Germany that is.

The fact is that homosexuals do not have access to most schools in America or Europe.

Ellen Degeneres and Elton John may not agree with you.

That teachers in some areas teach that if a person has two mommies or two daddies the should not be picked on by other students is not teaching acceptance of homosexuality; it is an attempt to prevent bullying.

Is that the neologism for" indoctrination" being used by the GLBT community these days?

Some area also teach safe sex techniques, which are just as applicable (in fact, statistically more applicable) to heterosexuals as to homosexuals -- they do not teach kids that they should be either orientation.

I am not agreeing with you at all here. In fact I would say you are breaking one of the Ten Commandment's here.

[/quote]And homosexuals are just as often the villain in TV or movies as they are the heroes.[/quote]

Not since the rise of the Gay Agenda from the hippy movement. That would be for the last forty or so years "BTW." Gays are saintly and Christians are whacked out freaks to Hollywood. And that hasn't changed since Inherit the Wind premiered. What's that make, sixty years?

seeker777 · Jun 23, 2008

The gay agenda as you call it Poly is:

Equality.

Does that frighten you? I suspect that it does.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

Beanieboy said:
I don't understand you, exactly.

You tell me that Christianity doesn't call for killing of homosexuals.

Where? Where, FROM the Gospels or the letters of the New Testament. THAT IS CHRISTIANITY sir or madam.

I show you an instance where a christian talk show host says that very thing, and calls for his listeners to contact their legislature to make execution of gays in the US a law, and you seem to simply ignore it.

Do you want me to post Michael Swift's little outre??????? It is gay and violent and threatening with no doubt.

Do you think that his listeners don't respond to him? That they don't take what he says to heart? Or do you simply not care if there are people that claim to be Christian actively calling for the execution of gay people? Or do you not care about the lives of gay people?

Peter (Christianity) condemns these people just as he does those that act like the world. Hopefully these people calling for violence against ANYBODY will get arrested. Peter says you are not persecuted for suffering from doing what is wrong. Want that posted too?

Everytime you call for proof, you simply ignore it, rather than examine it, argue it away, or go off on a tangent, rather than really think about what the implications are to the gay community, and the image that such people make on the Church itself.

"The Gay Community." Thank you for being honest. I present The Christian Community. There is NO Biblical support for violence against anyone as a Christian thing to do. Just like there is no support for homosexuality as something a Christian should do. Where do i go to swear out a complaint on these radical right wing "Christians." I'll agree with any gay or lesbain for this. I will still be supporting proper Biblical truth.

I am supporting your accusations against these people wanting to do harm to others. THAT, has no support from Christianity. Like pro-gay theology, it just isn't there.

Polycarp_fan · Jun 23, 2008

seeker777 said:
The gay agenda as you call it Poly is:

Equality.

Does that frighten you? I suspect that it does.

Frighten? The ol' homphobia neologism at its best. I suspect that you get your position from gay activists and Humanist teachers.

Same-gender people cannot "equal" a marriage. Well, not in a Christian way anyway. And I am on record with not caring what pagans want to do. Just don't do it in the Church.

Biologically and physiologically speaking, there is no such thing as same-gender sexual intercourse. "Equality?" Not hardly. Perverting reality is not equality it is just altering the word "aberrant" for some social and political wierdness. Neologism is the craft of the GLBT culture.

Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

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