Why the KJV is used by Adventist

[masmpg]

Reading a NIV passage in the Sabbath School Quarterly 10 years ago was what started me questioning what the SDA church was teaching. It was about adultery and the KJV made it clear it was decidedly to be turned from while the NIV used the word "should be" turned from, making it an optional thing. We questioned our pastor at the time and he told us we were just being too nit picky....

I use to attend an ultra conservative SDA church in the hills. We had about 150 members, but only 40-75 on any given sabbath. I thank and praise God for leading me to that church as I was growing in the faith. A couple times we sent whole boxes of quarterly study guides back to the conference because they were just too bad. They had so many errors, and other denominational POPULAR pastors commenting in them. This was in the 90s. I have never followed the quarterly because I have always looked at it as a way to take my mind off my daily devotion, a distraction. Every sabbath I would have plenty to say and I would always bring a SOP quote or two, praying that God would give me an opening to read at least one quote which was always in context with the study guide.

Nit Picky is right. When a pastor tells me to read along as he reads from a counterfeit translation and me with my KJV I get lost. Some sermons were so deep, at the time, that when I got lost I was lost for the rest of the sermon. These forums are my church now. I am tired of the lovey dovey peace and safety gospel being preached from every pulpit in every denomination. I have been rebuked many times, and the last time I attended one of the local churches here what a fiasco.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I use to attend an ultra conservative SDA church in the hills. We had about 150 members, but only 40-75 on any given sabbath. I thank and praise God for leading me to that church as I was growing in the faith. A couple times we sent whole boxes of quarterly study guides back to the conference because they were just too bad. They had so many errors, and other denominational POPULAR pastors commenting in them. This was in the 90s. I have never followed the quarterly because I have always looked at it as a way to take my mind off my daily devotion, a distraction. Every sabbath I would have plenty to say and I would always bring a SOP quote or two, praying that God would give me an opening to read at least one quote which was always in context with the study guide.

Nit Picky is right. When a pastor tells me to read along as he reads from a counterfeit translation and me with my KJV I get lost. Some sermons were so deep, at the time, that when I got lost I was lost for the rest of the sermon. These forums are my church now. I am tired of the lovey dovey peace and safety gospel being preached from every pulpit in every denomination. I have been rebuked many times, and the last time I attended one of the local churches here what a fiasco.

Brother, I would encourage you to catch the Saved to Serve livestream every Sabbath... you can observe a full fellowship with the saints and be given a heart necessary feeding of bread from Heavens bakery.

We are a group of three that meet through Skype and fellowship usually every day... even if just for devotional. We also have a book that we are reading through, a chapter each day. Usually SOP but we will mix it up with some AT Jones, Waggoner, Smith and others.

 

[masmpg]

Brother, I would encourage you to catch the Saved to Serve livestream every Sabbath... you can observe a full fellowship with the saints and be given a heart necessary feeding of bread from Heavens bakery.

We are a group of three that meet through Skype and fellowship usually every day... even if just for devotional. We also have a book that we are reading through, a chapter each day. Usually SOP but we will mix it up with some AT Jones, Waggoner, Smith and others.

I do saved to serve quite often, at least two every sabbath, but never have done the live version. I download every one of his sermons just in case. I probably have over 100 of them on my hard drive along with a couple other evangelists, and health seminars like Doctor Sang Lee and Agatha Thrash. I have close to two terabites of sermons, health lectures, natural gardening, aquaponics, permaculture, cooking, etc. I know the time is coming when all these will come in very handy. I can burn dvds or flash drives or sd cards for phones. I really want to pass them out door to door. I bought a 156 gig sd card for 15 bucks on e bay. I can fit hundreds of sermons and videos on one of those, and they are only about 3/4" square and 1/16" thick. It is amazing how small data storage has gotten.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I do saved to serve quite often, at least two every sabbath, but never have done the live version. I download every one of his sermons just in case. I probably have over 100 of them on my hard drive along with a couple other evangelists, and health seminars like Doctor Sang Lee and Agatha Thrash. I have close to two terabites of sermons, health lectures, natural gardening, aquaponics, permaculture, cooking, etc. I know the time is coming when all these will come in very handy. I can burn dvds or flash drives or sd cards for phones. I really want to pass them out door to door. I bought a 156 gig sd card for 15 bucks on e bay. I can fit hundreds of sermons and videos on one of those, and they are only about 3/4" square and 1/16" thick. It is amazing how small data storage has gotten.

Sounds like my hard drives...lol

 

[Dave-W]

God gave us His holy word the KJV bible, but He gave it so we can study, not rely on other mere humans to explain it.

Then why is "teacher" one of the 5 equipping gifts listed in Eph 4?

11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

 

[masmpg]

Then why is "teacher" one of the 5 equipping gifts listed in Eph 4?

11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Even though we are told in 1John:2:27: "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." Does this negate the "teacher's" job? No it does not. Paul commended the Bereans for searching the scriptures to prove what Paul said. Even though there are gifts of preaching, teaching, pastors, evangelists and ministry, which are all tools to bring people to Christ they are just that, tools to lead us to God's holy word the KJV bible. If you ever see a teacher, teaching in Christs Name and is leading people to himself, which, ehem will never happen right?, we are to shun that teacher pastor or even whole denomination.

 

[Dave-W]

Even though there are gifts of preaching, teaching, pastors, evangelists and ministry, which are all tools to bring people to Christ

Actually the text says it is for "the equipping of the saints," those who already know Him.

 

[Dave-W]

lead us to God's holy word the KJV bible.

Sorry but I would need chapter and verse specifically naming the KJV to make me ignore the Greek and Hebrew texts and giving them preeminence.

 

[masmpg]

Actually the text says it is for "the equipping of the saints," those who already know Him.

Here is the context of the reason for giving "gifts unto men".
Eph:4:8: Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph:4:9: (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph:4:10: He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph:4:11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph:4:12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph:4:13: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph:4:14: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph:4:15: But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph:4:16: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Not only were they given for equipping the saints, but for the deifying of the body of Christ, and the work of the ministry. Certainly the gifts are mandatory for these things to happen, but the only thing I am saying is that no matter who has the gifts they must lead us to God's word, not to any man, pastor, priest, nor denomination.

No matter what someone might call "God's word". I choose to call it the KJV bible because the simplicity of God's word does not demand that we learn a different language to be saved, nor to teach someone how to be saved. The Comforter makes certain of our ministry if we would let Him and not try to prove otherwise. Its better to agree toward unity than disagree toward arguments.

 

[Dave-W]

No matter what someone might call "God's word". I choose to call it the KJV bible because the simplicity of God's word does not demand that we learn a different language to be saved, nor to teach someone how to be saved.

True enough.

But getting "saved" is just the first five minutes of a lifetime. And only a small portion of Scripture is devoted to that. The rest is how to live and grow AFTER you are saved.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Then why is "teacher" one of the 5 equipping gifts listed in Eph 4?

11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

Even through a common language, the church will have those blessed with the gift of discernment that can teach, exhort and edify the body.

Looking at the KJV as a language, it allows like minded believers to be completely on the same page in regards to doctrine. Every 'old school' traditional Adventist that adheres to the KJV does not deviate from the message given to the pioneers some 150 years ago. This is part of the unity of the body needed for these times...