Why the Christian creation myth

[bhsmte]

Comparative fact.

Prove it.

 

[juvenissun]

Prove it.

No.

 

[bhsmte]

No.

I am shocked.

 

[Aman777]

Scientists do science. That is a correct way of doing things.

They do science UNTIL they have to explain WHERE Humans came from. Then, they demonstrate their FAITH in the Magic of Evolution, which magically changes Apes into Humans over time. They call this Magic "natural" and force teach it to our babies as Fact. In the end, they fall into God's Snare which increases their punishment. Mar 9:42

 

[xianghua]

No. Most of us who believe in God believe in Him as Creator, not "designer."

ID, Intelligent Design, is a hoax perpetrated by a fascist front organization called the Discovery Institute. It is nothing but a propaganda tool intended to soften us up for the totalitarian theocracy they would like to impose.

creator isnt the same as designer? i disagree.

 

[xianghua]

Comparative fact.

god existence is a fact: the self replicating watch argument

 

[Speedwell]

creator isnt the same as designer? i disagree.

Go ahead. But "design" is merely one way a creator could create. How do you know that is the way He did create?

Is that what you are trying to do here? Prove the existence of God by demonstrating that living creatures are "intelligently designed?"

First of all, disproving the theory of evolution won't help you. The theory of evolution does not deny the existence of God nor is it a compelling reason for disbelief in God.

And if you did happen to disprove the theory of evolution, all you would have is a disproven theory. You have done nothing to advance your own theory as the only possible alternative.

 

[xianghua]

Go ahead. But "design" is merely one way a creator could create. How do you know that is the way He did create?

how do you know that its not?

 

[Speedwell]

how do you know that its not?

I don't know that it's not. But you seem to have put yourself in the position that if ID isn't true then God does not exist.

Once again,

Disproving the theory of evolution won't help you. The theory of evolution does not deny the existence of God nor is it a compelling reason for disbelief in God.

And if you did happen to disprove the theory of evolution, all you would have is a disproven theory. You have done nothing to advance your own theory as the only possible alternative.

 

[xianghua]

The theory of evolution does not deny the existence of God

so why every atheist is also an evolutionists? is it a coincidence?

 

[Speedwell]

so why every atheist is also an evolutionists? is it a coincidence?

Yes. Just like every atheist accepts the germ theory of disease, Eintsein's theory of relativity, electromagnetic theory and so on. Coincidence?

Theists also accept all those theories, except for an eccentric minority of creationists. And you know why? Because none of those theories--including the theory of evolution--is a hindrance to believing in God.

 

[Ophiolite]

so why every atheist is also an evolutionists? is it a coincidence?

I'm reasonably sure you are incorrect. I have met many fools in my time who refused to believe in just about anything: no Gods, no moon landing, no evolution, no Big Bang. Yet they still had a space in their mind for believing in alien abductions, 911 conspiracy, The Illuminati, etc.

An argument can be made that persistent conflation of atheism and acceptance of evolution, in the face of contrary evidence, is a prime example of cognitive dissonance.

 

[juvenissun]

They do science UNTIL they have to explain WHERE Humans came from. Then, they demonstrate their FAITH in the Magic of Evolution, which magically changes Apes into Humans over time. They call this Magic "natural" and force teach it to our babies as Fact. In the end, they fall into God's Snare which increases their punishment. Mar 9:42

Indeed. Scientist should do, and should only do science. If they try to do anything beyond that, they failed. This is clearly explained in the wisdom of Solomon.

 

[xianghua]

Yes. Just like every atheist accepts the germ theory of disease, Eintsein's theory of relativity, electromagnetic theory and so on. Coincidence?

Theists also accept all those theories, except for an eccentric minority of creationists. And you know why? Because none of those theories--including the theory of evolution--is a hindrance to believing in God.

but evolution is a belief. so why should atheist choose this belief rather then somehing else? the answer is because evolution is anti theist position and use as natural explanation for the existence of nature.

 

[Jimmy D]

Indeed. Scientist should do, and should only do science. If they try to do anything beyond that, they failed. This is clearly explained in the wisdom of Solomon.

The arbiter of science has spoken.

Take heed scientists!

 

[juvenissun]

The arbiter of science has spoken.

Take heed scientists!

A good scientist should know the boundary of science. Do not go beyond that in order to lose the quality of a scientist. Steve Hawking is an example who failed on this principle.

 

[Speedwell]

but evolution is a belief.

False. It is a plausible, well-supported scientific theory.

so why should atheist choose this belief rather then somehing else?

For the same reason that most theists choose it: because it is a plausible, well supported scientific theory.

the answer is because evolution is anti theist position

That is a bald-faced lie. Not only that, it is an insult to the faith of billions of believers in God who accept evolution and who know that what you posted is a lie.

and use as natural explanation for the existence of nature.

That is false, on two counts. First, the theory of evolution is not an explanation for "the existence of nature" but merely for the diversity of life forms. Second, your implication is that a natural explanation for any phenomenon rules out divine causality, a metaphysical error inexcusable in a person who wants to discuss creation and evolution at this level..

There is not a single truth in what you posted. My question to you is, if you are going to be so blatantly dishonest in what you post, why should we repond to you at all?

 

[xianghua]

False. It is a plausible, well-supported scientific theory.For the same reason that most theists choose it: because it is a plausible, well supported scientific theory. That is a bald-faced lie. Not only that, it is an insult to the faith of billions of believers in God who accept evolution and who know that what you posted is a lie. That is false, on two counts. First, the theory of evolution is not an explanation for "the existence of nature" but merely for the diversity of life forms. Second, your implication is that a natural explanation for any phenomenon rules out divine causality, a metaphysical error inexcusable in a person who wants to discuss creation and evolution at this level..

There is not a single truth in what you posted. My question to you is, if you are going to be so blatantly dishonest in what you post, why should we repond to you at all?

first: i have no problem with evolution if we had any good evidence for it. but we dont. so lets discuss the evidence. if evolution is so "plausible, well-supported scientific theory" give me your best evidence and we will check it.

 

[Speedwell]

first: i have no problem with evolution if we had any good evidence for it. but we dont. so lets discuss the evidence. if evolution is so "plausible, well-supported scientific theory" give me your best evidence and we will check it.

No. First you have to justify your monstrous falsehood that the theory of evolution is "anti-theist." If you are going to indulge in such slanderous accusations you are going to have to explain yourself before you are entitled to a response on any other matter.

 

[xianghua]

No. First you have to justify your monstrous falsehood that the theory of evolution is "anti-theist." If you are going to indulge in such slanderous accusations you are going to have to explain yourself before you are entitled to a response on any other matter.

fine. first: evolution contradict many things in the bible.
2) most scientists think that evolution is a natural process.
3) mutation and natural selection (the main force of evolution) is a natural process by definition. this is why they call it "natural selection".
4) as i said: basically every atheist believe in evolution. but not every creationist believe it. so there is a correlation between evolution and atheism.