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Yes, he certainly fits most definitions of an alien. Good observation.
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And jezus was an alien.
Good job on missing the point and even piling on...
Actually, the vast majority of the time, it is that simple. Which is why we can pretty accuratly deduce someones religion by looking at their parents or geographic location. Do you deny this?
You can remove every single page of the bible and only keep the generic concept "god", and still you have nothing but a faith-based claim that is unfalsifiable, unverifiable, unsupported and even unsupportable.
Yes, his family were extremely gifted musicians and they encouraged him to join the choir in order to learn how to appreciate music. He wrote the book called the Language of God.
Not if they are naked, no.
And the bible denies the divinity oh Hercules
Actually, the vast majority of the time, it is that simple. Which is why we can pretty accuratly deduce someones religion by looking at their parents or geographic location. Do you deny this?
Hercules has little or no historical reality, other than being a pure mythical entity, like the Hulk or Superman.
Jesus on the other hand can't be reduced down to a pure myth.
He was--at the very, very least--a regular joe like you and me
Or, are you of the Robert M. Price Camp that denies that Jesus was at least a real person
If so, do you deny that John the Baptist and/or James the Disciple were real people as well? (Not that you care either way, but I'm just asking while we're at it.) Do you also deny that Josephus was a real person?
The answers to these questions produce a historically contextual bearing on the personage of Jesus.
The other issue of whether He was divine or not is a separate issue, subject to whether or not you're willing to accept biblical prophecy. (Of course, I'm already confident you don't, but I'm just saying.)
Do I? Where do I start? The possible contingencies of real life in any nation or society are numerous.
The main question isn't how are people affected by their culture in their initial, juvenile belief development, but rather what and how did their beliefs form and change over time, from birth until death, taking in the entirety of an individuals life experiences and encounters.
On top of this, if we adapt the Reformer's Dilemma from its contention with Cultural Relativism's moral argument and apply it to the issue of cultural influence and religious development, I think we can see that there isn't a whole lot--other than fear--than prevents people from wanting to introduce 'better' ideas in any society, even the one they live in.
Additionally, we could also take Muslims as a case. Muslims have the 'Negative Gospel' loaded into their Qu'ran. They know what Christians believe because it is stated in the Qu'ran; however, the Qu'ran explicitly denies Jesus' divinity, that He died on the cross, and that He was one person of a Trinity. It is possible that a Muslim, in the course of a lifetime, to eventually consider that maybe the Qu'ran got Jesus wrong.
I'm just saying.
No martyrs either -- contemporary or otherwise -- right?Hercules and Jesus both have 0 contemporary and independ evidence backing their historical existence.
No martyrs either -- contemporary or otherwise -- right?
It is normal for atheists to try and rubbish Josephus, but the consensus of scholarly opinion is not what atheists represent it as being. Almost all scholars agree that the passage in Antiquities has been doctored by a Christian scribe, but few think it is a complete fabrication.
After having a few scholars quoted to them, their next move is typically to say, "Oh well, Josephus wasn't a contemporary of Jesus anyway." I wasn't a contemporary of Albert Einstein, but my parents and grand parents were.
No martyrs either -- contemporary or otherwise -- right?
No martyrs either -- contemporary or otherwise -- right?
If you want to compare Hercules to Jesus, fine.I'm not sure what your point is.
If you want to compare Hercules to Jesus, fine.
Show me Hercules' martyrs.
Are you serious with this line of questioning?How would it make a difference?
But getting back to the main point:Hercules was a multifaceted figure with contradictory characteristics, which enabled later artists and writers to pick and choose how to represent him.
It is normal for atheists to try and rubbish Josephus, but the consensus of scholarly opinion is not what atheists represent it as being. Almost all scholars agree that the passage in Antiquities has been doctored by a Christian scribe, but few think it is a complete fabrication.
After having a few scholars quoted to them, their next move is typically to say, "Oh well, Josephus wasn't a contemporary of Jesus anyway."
I wasn't a contemporary of Albert Einstein, but my parents and grand parents were.
Are you serious with this line of questioning?
Because if I suspect subterfuge, we're done.
For one thing, Wikipedia says:
But getting back to the main point:
Are you suggesting that martyrdom doesn't add weight to the veracity of the existence of Jesus over Hercules?
Gangs aren't consider mythical, like Hercules is.Well, so do gangs.
Gangs aren't consider mythical, like Hercules is.
And while I personally believe Hercules existed, most don't; and I'm offended at the comparison.
If someone has to stoop to using such comparisons, I would say they are trying desperately not to believe.
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