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Ruthie is right that atheists have their own versions of "why are there still monkeys" that they continue to use.
You're preaching. There's no difference in essence between your preaching and the preaching of a muslim or of followers of any other religion.
So how do you go about making that decision for yourself?
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Preaching? You need to read Post #251 again. The statements were from firsthand experiences.
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To PsychoSarah
For your information. I did not compare them both and i bluntly stated that i did not read it.
But based on my experience i looked at truth and what that is. I said that i read the bible because Jesus saved me. Not because i found on to be more truthful or accurate. I do believe The bible is very accurate and the truthful one. I also believe that the Quran is very accurate. Yet if there is a controversy between the two i would look at the Bible. Now what i meant was this question of weather you should choose the Bible or the Quran.
Is a matter you must decide for yourself. I just told you what i believe and said it was truth. Kyle Arn.
I'm basing my words on multiple encounters with atheists both on and off line whom I have found do not do research and have based their beliefs on ignorant assumptions of scriptures that they have not investigated to any degree.
"Talking snakes "
This is a prime example of what I am talking about.
The Hebrew for the serpent in the garden is "nacash" It does not literally mean a talking snake.
The word for nacash means Shining One, deceiver, or liar. The snake was used to symbolize the fallen angel Lucifer (who goes by many names *and this can be explained also through linguistical changes in words as languages change over time through cultures.)
How is that different from YOUR assmptions of scriptures that YOU have never ingestigated?
There are more then 1000 religions practiced TODAY. And that's not even counting all the denominations within those religions.
So... did you investigate all these religions? Did you investigate the many thousands that were practiced in the past?
You should be carefull with such statements. They have a tendency to come back and bite you in the behind.
Are you aware that many christians disagree with you on that?
You can remove every talking animal and burning bush from the entire book. It doesn't make any difference. Genesis is obvious myth, through and through. Just another creation myth. One amongst many thousands.
You can remove every single page of the bible and only keep the generic concept "god", and still you have nothing but a faith-based claim that is unfalsifiable, unverifiable, unsupported and even unsupportable.
I'm an atheist because of that fact. I couldn't care less what your ancient text says.
This thread is a follow up on a post I made in another thread. Apparantly it caused a bit of a stir and since we were going very off topic, I decided this topic deserved its own thread.
The topic came up after I saw EternalDragon mention that he read the quran.
I asked him what it is about the bible that gives it more credibility then the quran. Or what it is about the quran that gives it less credibility then the bible.
Several people answered and all I got as answers were as fallacious as it gets.
The most recuring fallacious themes here were confirmation bias, double standards and circular reasoning.
Consider this simplistic example... If I ask you why you believe 2+2 equals 4 and not 5... then answering "because I already believe it is 4" is not a valid answer.
That doesn't tell me why it's more rational to believe it's 4 rather then 5. I require an actual argument, a demonstration,...something...anything.
Not a priori nonsense or other fallacies.
Likewise, when receiving answers to my question of quran credibility vs bible credibility, they could be summarized as "The bible has more credibility because I believe it". Which is, off course, fallacious nonsense.
So, in the hope of getting an actual reasoned answer, I'll ask again to the entire forum:
What is it about the bible that gives it more credibility then the quran?
Why do you believe the bible and not the quran?
Try to be intellectually honest about this.
Refrain from answers that employ:
- confirmation bias (= "because I already believe the bible" or judging the quran through bible-believing goggles)
- circular reasoning (= "the bible is true because god says so in the bible and god exists because the bible says so.... in the bible).
- double standards (= judging jesus going by bible descriptions of him while judging mohammed by non-quranic descriptions of him)
If you want help on how to go about this...
Take a step back and view it objectively. Forget for a second that you are a christian and lay the books side by side and ask yourself how you will decide which one is more plausible, more credible.
Go at it without any preconceived beliefs, notions, whatever.
Leave emotions out of it.
How can I, as a hypothetical person who has first contact with both stories, conclude which one I should be believing?
Looking forward to your answers,
Dogma.
I will wager that nearly every single poster who answers that the Bible somehow has more credibility also grew up in a Christian household and was taught the Bible as a child.
Basically, the Bible is composed of an abundance of narratives that are, even if not actual, arranged and structured as 'history.' The Qu'ran on the other hand is simply a large collection of 'sayings,' none of which are arranged or represented in any kind of historical backdrop. So, the Qu'ran seems--to me anyway--like just a collection of proverbs and prophetic denunciations.
Plus, the Qu'ran denies the divinity of Jesus, and the Bible appears more coherent to me philosophically.
Yes, I've read the Qu'ran cover to cover, as well as the Bible cover to cover, so I can make the qualification above that I've given.
Peace
Oh, please. As if it is that simple. Cut me a break.
And jezus was an alien.Hercules was a nephilim, human/demonic/animal hybrid. He had no divinity. He was a product of the fallen angels and earth women.
Frances Collins was raised an atheist, yet he converted to Christianity. He never looked at the Bible growing up except singing in choir as his family were musically inclined.
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