Why the Baptism of the Holy Spirit IS for today
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In general I don't believe it is good to put limitations on the Holy Spirit. So I side with the 3rd wave Charismatics, like some of the Vineyard etc. who noticed that they had gifts of the Spirit but no tongues etc. On top of that I also subscribe to an Eastern Orthodox saying "We know where the Holy Spirit is, but we don't know where He is not" in that in general it is not a good position to be in to saying that HS is not with a particular group (In the event you are wrong), although one can point to problems with groups if such things are blatant or clear as far as heresy, abuse etc. goes.
But mind you this also goes at some cherished beliefs of Protestants, especially the tendency to deny that infant baptism can be effective. The Eastern Church not only has infant baptism, but communion as well and I have seen many signs that young children do have a spiritual life which should not be surprising if we take note to various incidents in the Bible seriously. In general I believe the Shakespearean saying "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy Horatio" applies (Faith goes beyond the Intellectual which is why it is referred to as a mysterion). In general, the problems that people have on infant baptism comes largely from not following through with teaching, discipleship etc. as children mature.
In closing I will conclude by posting a Coptic Orthodox essay that on the Spiritual Gifts, Martyrdom etc.
taken from "Church of Martyrs", H.G. Bishop Youssef
Let's look at the origin for the term, "martyr."
The risen Lord Jesus Christ said, "You shall be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." (Acts 1:8)
As He sent out His disciples throughout the world, they were to be HIS WITNESSES. Thus the Greek word for WITNESS is "MARTYR." We may be witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ by the way in which we live our lives, by setting a good example for others to follow, and showing others the love that we have for the Lord. But we may be called upon to follow our Lord Jesus Christ to the end of the way of the Cross. We may be asked willingly to give our lives rather than abandon our loyalty to Him.
The early Church thought of this death as the complete and final act of witnessing. Thus the term "martyr" has become to mean one who witnesses for the Lord Jesus Christ by dying for His Holy Name. The Coptic Church has innumerable martyrs and saints. It is historically famous for its long-suffering and courageous capabilities to sustain persecutions and hardships. In honor of these Christians who gave their life so that others might find theirs, lets discuss the Holy Spirit and His work in the life of the martyr.
The Coptic Orthodox faithful believe that all miracles, supernatural gifts, all wonders, and powers are due to the Holy Spirit's work within man. It is not due to a special human power. The Holy Spirit teaches, guides, and edifies. It reminds us that He gives all.
St Paul, the Apostle, asked the believers to pray always with all prayer and supplication, "for all the saints and for me, that utterance may be given to me that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the Gospel." (Ephesians 6:18-19).
St Paul also asserted that, "the manifestation of the Spirit is given" the profit of all" (I Corinthians 12:7) and "that the church may receive edification" (I Corinthians 14:4) and also, "for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God." (Ephesians 4:12)
Therefore, the gifts of the Holy Spirit were not for boasting, for earthly honor, nor for vainglory, but for edifying the church.
The martyrs were strong and non-compromising in their Christian beliefs and never denied the Lord their God. They had absolutely no fear of death, and their difficulties, sufferings, trials, and imprisonments neither troubled them nor deflected them from their purpose. The important thing was that they WITNESSED for the Lord Jesus Christ.
They let whatever was to happen, happen. Death was the only means in which to silence their proclamation of the Lord Jesus Christ as the risen Savior. The cost they paid was not the end to their earthly life but the beginning of an eternal one. They bore and harvested the Fruit of the Spirit.
The Holy Spirit leads this Fruit of the Spirit. St Paul the Apostle said, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, peace, joy, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." (Galatians 5:22-23) We know the martyrs experienced all these fruits of righteousness even until their death. Death in the Lord Jesus Christ's name meant the ultimate attainment of these Fruits of the Spirit. It would mean Eternal Glory for those who allowed the Holy Spirit to work in them. Therefore the martyrs had the assurance of an unending Joy.
Even faith itself, is the work of the Holy Spirit. Psychologically, a normal person without the comfort of the Holy Spirit would be fearful of facing certain death. Without the Holy Spirit one would view death as the end of life. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself said, "All things are possible to him who believes." (Mark 9:23) The MARTYRS BELIEVED.
I Corinthians 12:3 states, "no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." The martyrs were able to accept faith due to the work of the Holy Spirit. They allowed the Holy Spirit to fulfill their lives. They were consumed with the love of the Lord Jesus Christ.
When God's Spirit dwells in someone, He sanctifies him or her. He sanctified the martyrs. The whole of the martyr was sanctified; his heart, his mind, his body, his spirit and his soul. He sanctified their life in general. "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless"mp;quot; (I Thessalonians 5:23) God dwelt in the martyrs. He sanctified their life and yielded the Fruit of the Spirit in it.
The martyrs sole aim was the Lord Jesus Christ and their life with Him in blissful Eternity. Simply, that is why they followed Him wholeheartedly even to their death. Unheeding temptations and tortures of which none could alter their heart which abided in the Lord. St Paul the Apostle said, "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?" I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels not principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:35-39)
The martyrs left us with many lessons and examples that impact upon our lives today. Most probably the most valuable is discernment between Fruit of the Spirit and gifts. Fruit of the Spirit has to do with life and eternity. Gifts are mostly for the benefit of others and can possibly lead to pride and vainglory. Gifts are referring here to wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, working miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation (I Corinthians 12:8-11). The martyrs were primarily concerned with Fruits of the Spirit rather than gifts.
The martyr's Fruit of the Spirit made him all-powerful in everything. "You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be WITNESS TO ME" mp;quot; (Acts 1:8). This was the promise of the Lord to His Holy Disciples. Attesting to this, a powerful person, such as a martyr, overcomes fear of losing his life, his ministry is powerful, and they have a strong influence on others. Fruits of the Spirit will distinguish him in every good deed.
The power and strength of the martyrs was found within the work shared with the Holy Spirit. They felt the power of God within them. They were spiritually strong and without weakness. They had communion with God's Spirit.
The martyrs became a temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwelt in them. Psalm 93:5 sums up the existence of their life:
"As He who called you is Holy, you also be Holy in all your conduct, because it is written, 'Be Holy, for I am Holy.' " (I Peter 1:15-16)
The Coptic Church commemorates to this day, its countless martyrs, by a Coptic Calendar in which the years are dated from anno martyrum, (AM) the "Year of the Martyr." This calendar recalls to all Copts the great persecution of the Christians that began in Egypt in 284 A.D.
We thank the Lord our God for these great men and women who had the dedication and courage to remain faithful to Christianity with the totality of their lives. They stood as firm WITNESSES to the Word of God. TRULY THIS IS GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!
Church of Martyrs
H.G. Bishop Youssef
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What is almost funny is people can blaspheme God, but you can't try to call them out on it. You are the one who gets hated, because the blasphemer doesn't look inside themselves! I think long-suffering and self control are fruit of the Spirit.
Mark 13:13
And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
I remembered getting fired from a job just because I was a Christian and they felt weird about swearing in front of me.
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Spot on. That's why I tried to highlight the fruit. Both sides are convinced they are right scripturally. Jesus said we would know something is of Him by the fruit. All the deniers ever do in these threads is expose their lack of fruit.
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