Why The Attack.....

[A_Pioneer]

Brings back memories of myself. LOL
Another man with new eyes!
I had an "Aha" moment and the scales fell away.

Baruch Hashem.
Shalom

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Oh wow. How sad. And scary too. You know that's exactly what I had friend tell me about Easter. That was the first time I'd ever heard that before. I wasn't sure what to believe, or if that story was real. Thanks for confirming that story for me. And I'd also like to add that the infants were 3 months old. Is that right? Can you tell me the significance of that? It was important somehow, and the date of their births were important but I don't remember how. The thing is, my friend didn't go into so much detail. I wasn't aware of how closely it matched the Catholic tradition of Lent and all. That was such an interesting post. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Chazak]

Hi Texasbluebonnet,

It's good to meet you!

Yes, the children were 3 months old. The Tammuz caves contained altars upon which the priests would impregnate virgins at the end of the 40 days of 'weeping for Tammuz' as part of their worship ritual. 9 months later the children would be born, then sacrificed at the age of 3 months on Ishtar, or the first Sunday after the vernal equinox, then they'd impregnate more virgins for the next year's sacrifice. Pretty horrible, I know.

It did cause us to learn to keep Passover and to be blessed with all the study and remembrance of being set free by the blood of the Lamb and leaving all of the 'things' of Egypt (the world) behind to follow that Lamb of God!!!

Shalom

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Hi Texasbluebonnet,

It's good to meet you!

Yes, the children were 3 months old. The Tammuz caves contained altars upon which the priests would impregnate virgins at the end of the 40 days of 'weeping for Tammuz' as part of their worship ritual. 9 months later the children would be born, then sacrificed at the age of 3 months on Ishtar, or the first Sunday after the vernal equinox, then they'd impregnate more virgins for the next year's sacrifice. Pretty horrible, I know.

It did cause us to learn to keep Passover and to be blessed with all the study and remembrance of being set free by the blood of the Lamb and leaving all of the 'things' of Egypt (the world) behind to follow that Lamb of God!!!

Shalom

Hi Chazak ! Good to meet you too. I love your screen name btw.

Ugh...that is horrible. Reading that, I felt just nauseous. It's always a curiosity to me the things that people believe and will do to each other. I can see why God would hate that then. Yeah, once you know about the Biblical feasts, the others pale. In my humble opinion.

 

[ContraMundum]

I'm not trying to be unkind,and am certainly not attacking, just answering your question with what I've learned. I was born and raised a Catholic and these traditions were part of my heritage. But after learning more of the traditions of men, my family decided to consult Scripture in it's entirety and began observing the Feasts of the LORD.

God Bless

If you honestly believe in some bizzare association between what you wrote and traditional, orthodox Christianity than I must ssay you are the worst educated "Catholic" I've ever heard of.

The forum just found a new low.

 

[ContraMundum]

Most Christian holidays have Pagan roots. This is not new information.

Not to mention the same argument can be levelled at Jewish ones too.

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

If you honestly believe in some bizzare association between what you wrote and traditional, orthodox Christianity than I must ssay you are the worst educated "Catholic" I've ever heard of.

The forum just found a new low.

That's a little un-called for, don't you think? I mean, not really a good display of Christian attitude. In my humble opinion.

FYI I believe it too.

 

[ContraMundum]

That's a little un-called for, don't you think? I mean, not really a good display of Christian attitude. In my humble opinion.

FYI I believe it too.

Texas, telling people who celebrate the Lord's Supper that they are following an ancient occult ritual is about as low as it gets on this place. It is anti-Christ. If you agree with that rubbish, than only God can help you.

Don't be so easily misled by fanciful, Satanic stories.

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Texas, telling people who celebrate the Lord's Supper that they are following an ancient occult ritual is about as low as it gets on this place. It is anti-Christ. If you agree with that rubbish, than only God can help you.

Don't be so easily misled by fanciful, Satanic stories.

I appreciate your concern, but it's un-warranted. I'm not saying that people are going to hell, and I'm sure that's not what she's saying. However, Easter pales to Passover. Easter is tainted by pagan roots. You can believe that or not, but it's true. Passover isn't. If celebrating Passover would bring you closer to God (and I do believe it does) then why wouldn't you? That's all I'm saying.

 

[ContraMundum]

I appreciate your concern, but it's un-warranted. I'm not saying that people are going to hell, and I'm sure that's not what she's saying. However, Easter pales to Passover. Easter is tainted by pagan roots. You can believe that or not, but it's true. Passover isn't. If celebrating Passover would bring you closer to God (and I do believe it does) then why wouldn't you? That's all I'm saying.

Rubbish, utter, utter, rubbish.

I celebrate Pesach every year- have my whole life. I don't think there would be anyone on this forum who has done it in the most frum manner as I have in my life. Not one person- except for the Orthodox Jews here. When some MJ tells me that they celebrate Passover to me it looks like a kind of "McPassover". I've done it. I don't think you have. I'll do it again and again- it's the story of my people. I have no idea why Gentiles want to have their own version.

The first historic Easter, on the other hand, is the obvious fulfillment of Pesach. It's not pagan- it's Jewish. It's the Passion story. It's not about eggs or anything else- it's about the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua. Whackos on here gripe on and on about the "Date"of Easter or the English name for it- as if these things really had some legalistic binding on us. Such things pale in the light of the Cross and the empty Tomb. There is liberty in the church that she can celebrate things as she sees fit- for all days are covered by the Cross.

As I said before, if you think celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua is against some law (that oddly enough no one has heard of) then you're doing it wrong.

Christians celebrate Easter every day of their life. There is no containing this great event to one weekend a year. Now, to have some new religious spirits tell us that we have to celebrate "Passover" (and they don't even know *HOW* to celebrate Passover!) instead of remembering the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua in unity with our saved brethren is frankly very suspect. There's a lot of legalistic spirits around here lately.

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Rubbish, utter, utter, rubbish.

I celebrate Pesach every year- have my whole life. I don't think there would be anyone on this forum who has done it in the most frum manner as I have in my life. Not one person- except for the Orthodox Jews here. When some MJ tells me that they celebrate Passover to me it looks like a kind of "McPassover". I've done it. I don't think you have. I'll do it again and again- it's the story of my people. I have no idea why Gentiles want to have their own version.

The first historic Easter, on the other hand, is the obvious fulfillment of Pesach. It's not pagan- it's Jewish. It's the Passion story. It's not about eggs or anything else- it's about the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua. Whackos on here gripe on and on about the "Date"of Easter or the English name for it- as if these things really had some legalistic binding on us. Such things pale in the light of the Cross and the empty Tomb. There is liberty in the church that she can celebrate things as she sees fit- for all days are covered by the Cross.

As I said before, if you think celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua is against some law (that oddly enough no one has heard of) then you're doing it wrong.

Christians celebrate Easter every day of their life. There is no containing this great event to one weekend a year. Now, to have some new religious spirits tell us that we have to celebrate "Passover" (and they don't even know *HOW* to celebrate Passover!) instead of remembering the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua in unity with our saved brethren is frankly very suspect. There's a lot of legalistic spirits around here lately.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

I have no reason to engage in this.

And I never said anyone had to do anything.

Check my post again.

I never said that.

 

[ContraMundum]

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

I have no reason to engage in this.

And I never said anyone had to do anything.

Check my post again.

I never said that.

Oh here we go.

you said:

Easter is tainted by pagan roots. You can believe that or not, but it's true.

It isn't. You just think it is. You should prove it. The first easter was the Passion. That's the root. Simple, easy logic. That's all Easter is- remembering that event. There's no law against that, and if it's anything more than that *you're doing it wrong*. If people apply superstitions to it- they're doing it wrong. If they paganise it- they're doing it wrong. Abuse doesn't make it null and void.

Passover isn't. If celebrating Passover would bring you closer to God (and I do believe it does) then why wouldn't you? That's all I'm saying.

Actually, Passover does draw me closer to God. But proper Easter services more so. To use your line of reasoning- if it draws you closer to God, why wouldn't you?

You finish with "that's all I'm saying". I'd argue that you are saying much much more if you agree that the Christian Thanksgiving (instituted by Yeshua) is of demonic origin, as Chazak has said (and the story Chazak told is almost completely fictitious and has nothing to do with Christianity- check it out before you sign your life away to it).

 

[Gwenyfur]

Since the rules appear to be unclear...lemme break it down for ya:

DO NOT belittle insult or mock christian beliefs

DO NOT bicker and argue and strain at gnats

BE KIND

TREAT each other with RESPECT and show Messiah's LOVE!

​

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Oh here we go.

you said: It isn't. You just think it is. You should prove it. The first easter was the Passion. That's the root. Simple, easy logic. That's all Easter is- remembering that event. There's no law against that, and if it's anything more than that *you're doing it wrong*. If people apply superstitions to it- they're doing it wrong. If they paganise it- they're doing it wrong. Abuse doesn't make it null and void.

Actually, Passover does draw me closer to God. But proper Easter services more so. To use your line of reasoning- if it draws you closer to God, why wouldn't you?

You finish with "that's all I'm saying". I'd argue that you are saying much much more if you agree that the Christian Thanksgiving (instituted by Yeshua) is of demonic origin, as Chazak has said (and the story Chazak told is almost completely fictitious and has nothing to do with Christianity- check it out before you sign your life away to it).

I don't have to prove anything to you. This isn't the debate forum. You should know that. I know exactly what I believe and why. I wonder why it is that fellow believers are the rudest, and harshest to each other than the world is at times? I've encountered more bad attitudes here than the world lately. If you want to feel that way...well that's really none of my business. I don't care what holiday you celebrate or don't. We all have to follow our consciences don't we?

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

Since the rules appear to be unclear...lemme break it down for ya:​

DO NOT belittle insult or mock christian beliefs​

DO NOT bicker and argue and strain at gnats​

BE KIND​

TREAT each other with RESPECT and show Messiah's LOVE!​

!

 

[Chazak]

ContraMundem,

I am sorry you were so offended by what I wrote. I am new here and answered a direct question. I now understand that I shouldn't have written what I did and understand why no one wanted to get involved when the question was asked. I won't anymore. Please don't blame anyone else, I thought we were asked to give our reasons for not celebrating the way we used to.

I read the rules but I think I was baited in order to be discredited and ridiculed - but that's OK. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. I never meant to anger you or bait you or anyone else, which I know I'm accused of. I would never demean you or call you low. You don't have to believe what I wrote.

 

[TexasBluebonnet]

ContraMundem,

I am sorry you were so offended by what I wrote. I am new here and answered a direct question. I now understand that I shouldn't have written what I did and understand why no one wanted to get involved when the question was asked. I won't anymore. Please don't blame anyone else, I thought we were asked to give our reasons for not celebrating the way we used to.

I read the rules but I think I was baited in order to be discredited and ridiculed - but that's OK. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. I never meant to anger you or bait you or anyone else, which I know I'm accused of. I would never demean you or call you low. You don't have to believe what I wrote.

No, it's not you. I'm glad you wrote what you did. It's this forum. It's very tense around here right now, and people here are getting kinda cranky too easily. I've seen this happen.

 

[Chazak]

Thanks Texasbluebonnet,

I'll try to be much more careful. Like I said I'm new and didn't realize this topic should not have been addressed. I got in trouble really fast but now I THINK I get it. Thanks for being so nice! I'll try to follow the lead of others.

Shalom

 

[ContraMundum]

I don't have to prove anything to you. This isn't the debate forum. You should know that. I know exactly what I believe and why. I wonder why it is that fellow believers are the rudest, and harshest to each other than the world is at times? I've encountered more bad attitudes here than the world lately. If you want to feel that way...well that's really none of my business. I don't care what holiday you celebrate or don't. We all have to follow our consciences don't we?

Texas......when someone makes a brash statement against us, they owe us an explanation. I know it's not the debate forum, but perhaps you should have predicated your comments with a proviso or two.

To me, what was said was about the worst thing I've read here. If you think a bad attitude was obvious, try looking at it from the perspective of others next time.

Look- let's forgive and forget this. Let's just try harder next time, ok?

 

[ContraMundum]

Thanks Texasbluebonnet,

I'll try to be much more careful. Like I said I'm new and didn't realize this topic should not have been addressed. I got in trouble really fast but now I THINK I get it. Thanks for being so nice! I'll try to follow the lead of others.

Shalom

I am glad you see that. You are always welcome.