WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.

[LoveofTruth]

Unbelief and disobedience are interchangeable Heb 4:3 Heb 4:6 John 3:16-21

Perhaps I am not the one who misunderstands the New Covenant because God did not alter His Words, just as He promised He wouldn't Psa 89:34 and instead of deleting His law- He wrote His law on our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 and why New Covenant is based on better promises Heb 8:6, not better laws because you can't make something perfect more perfect Psa 19:7. So now instead of God's law written on stone, He writes them on our hearts and enables us to keep them if we don't rebel Rom 8:7-8. Its why Jesus taught when we keep our own laws in lieu of the commandments of God quoting directly from the Ten Commandments are hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14 and why He tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments again quoting from the Ten Commandments and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30 because breaking one of the Ten is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 so obviously the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere in the NC just as God promised and Jesus taught Mat 5:17-30 and lived John 15:10 because God does not break His Promises. It's a matter of faith if we believe and trust His teachings to live by them Mat 4:4

Colossians 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.@

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not quite. When Paul warned the believers in Galatians 3,5 about going back to the law or being under the law that law was circumcision making them a debtor to the whole law.

You greatly error here. I feel like so much of Paul’s warnings in this matter are for you it would take soo long to quote all the verses to correct you but here’s a few . But I don’t know if you cash seed it the veil can be in the heart as we read in 2 Cor. 3

You seem to avoid the 2 Corinthians 3 sections.

Galatians 3: 2. This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4. Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?”

Galatians 3: 10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

Galatians 3: 19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.”

Galatians 5: 3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”

Being under the law and under grace are different not one and the same.

Romans 6: 14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”

the law has a purpose abd when Jesus was in earth he was made u see the law and the old covenant was still in effect.

But we read after he accomplished his work and rise again

Hebrews 8: 13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Even when the writer wrote this the old covenant was still waxing old ready to vanish away but it lingered for a time as we see in Acts. Abs the time of reformation took time. God was being gracious for there were many things they could not bear yet

To tell them ahead of time that the temple would be no more that the law and priesthood would be changed that no more sacrifices no more sabbaths under the law no more dietary laws or customs or days etc were needed would have been too much to bear at that time but the Spirit would guide them into all truth.

We read of this transition in Hebrews 9

Hebrews 9: 8. The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

There were many shadows aand types in the OT

The Sabbath was also a shadow not the reality

We ask so read here where the believers in Jesus were still struggling with the law and even doing animal sacrifices sabbaths tithing having priesthood etc in error but God was graciously seeking to bring them to the fullness of truth.

Acts 21: 17. And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21. And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24. Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

The seventh day Sabbath commandment can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation before sin Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 which was God's perfect plan before the fall of man. You're confusing the annual sabbath(s) feast ordinances with the Sabbath that is a commandment of God, written by God's own finger, which would contradict the very teachings of Jesus Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Isa 56:1-6 Not something that ended at the Cross because the faithful apostles kept every Sabbath decades after Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 Jesus in His own Words said it would be kept after the Cross for His faithful Mat 24:20 and will be kept in heaven for God's saints Isa 66:22-23 so obviously why we have this warning 2 Peter 3:16 because Paul never taught anyone to sin.

Only God can reverse His blessing not man Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lords not to keep God's Sabbath, all of the thus saith the Lord on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane, we are to live by every Word of God, not Paul's writing that came with a warning 2 Peter 3:16 that many use out of context because they never reconcile with the very teachings of Jesus, but we do have free will.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Colossians 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.@

I urge you to dig a little deeper.

The context starts in Col 2:14


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14:
1. They are handwritten
2. They are ordinances
3. They are contrary and against

Does this fit the Sabbath commanemnt in any way?
1. The Ten was finger-written by God (not by hand) Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3.The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God, not the definition of "contrary" or against"

Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Neb 23:20. Paul does not have authority to reverse one of God's commandments, nor would he because he was a servant of Christ and the servant is not greater than his master, Paul didn't rebel against God's commandments and Sabbath, he kept it decades after the cross- that's a lot of Sabbath keeping for something that "ended" Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44

This is what Paul is referring to

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark.
Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....

Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

1 Cor 5:7 For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

There are no animal sacrifices in the Ten Commandments that was added because of transgressing God's law. There is more than one Sabbath in the scriptures, the seventh day Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all. There is no food or drink or sacrifices in the weekly Sabbath commandment that is holy and blessed by God, this is referring to the annual sabbath(s) that are ordinances added after sin written by Moses that have to do with food and drink and the context of this passage.

So what changed is how we seek forgiveness of sins. Not the laws that define sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 and what we will be judged by even in the New Covenant. James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30

In the Old Covenant they brought animal sacrifices to the Lord for the forgiveness of sins. This always pointed forward to Christ 1 Cor 5:7 Heb 10:1-25 as He was the placeholder for all the blood sacrifices and He became our ultimate Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins. Sin is still the same, breaking God’s law, but through Jesus and His blood we can now go directly to Him who is our High Priest and Advocate when we sin and we do that through repentance which means a change of heart and direction. When Jesus healed He said go and sin no more- so we need His sanctification. God’s Ten just show us our sin Rom 7:7 Rom 3:20 like a mirror so we are not living up to our standard of righteousness, but Christ’s Psa 119:172 Through Jesus we can keep His commandments and not sin but it requires our cooperate John 14:15-18 if we are hostile to God’s law its not a good sin Rom 8:7-8 if Jesus lives in us He gives us His righteousness which means we are living as Jesus did. Did Jesus break or teach we can break the least of the commandments Mat 5:19-30 no He taught the opposite said when we keep our rules over the commandments of God our hearts are far from Him, so therefore He is not residing in us. Mat 15:3-14

 

[LoveofTruth]

The seventh day Sabbath commandment can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation before sin

It is a shadow and type. It figures our rest in Christ. Just as Paul says about the creation

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”" 9 2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV)

Here we see Paul goes back to creation and uses the shining of light to show the shining of Gods light in our hearts to give life.

We see that the earth was without form and void, like mans state outside of Christ empty and void. The the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. as God moves in the heart by His Spirit and the true Light lighteth every man. Then when the person repents and believes the Lord said let there be light and new life comes and then fruit and reproducing after their own kind and finally resting in Christ .So it is all a real event in the past in genesis and a type and shadow of spiritual things.

We also read of the reality and shadow type

“For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” (Hebrews 4:10 KJV)

You're confusing the annual sabbath(s) feast ordinances with the Sabbath that is a commandment of God,

No I'm not, Paul includes the sabbath and all sabbaths in his verse in Colossians. they are shadows as he said.

written by God's own finger, which would contradict the very teachings of Jesus Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Isa 56:1-6

no contradiction. Jesus speaks in the time he was in under the law and they still had to do all things they were in bondage to the law, but when Jesus said it is finished he accomplished the finishing work and fulfilled all righteousness, never sinning, dying on the cross for sin and rising again

Not something that ended at the Cross because the faithful apostles kept every Sabbath decades after Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4

No, the early Jewish believers were still struggling with the law and temple and old covenant. God doesnt say men have to go against the knowledge they have and their conscience until they have faith and understand. Jesus had many things to say and to judge of them but they were not able to bear many of them until the Holy Ghost was given to guide them into all truth. None could act against their conscience .Paul worked hard to show the new covenant and many of his writings he is directly speaking to your kind of thinking and correcting it. But you don't see it yet.

The early Jewish believers were still going to the temple and keeping all the law and customs for many years after Christ finished the work. They were still in the old covenant in many respects. It seemed Paul tried to speak to this often. read Acts 15, 21 and Galatians etc.

Jesus in His own Words said it would be kept after the Cross for His faithful Mat 24:20

When Jesus speaks to the Jews he used language they could understand.

I have talked with some of those who are still trying to keep sabbaths and tithing and certain days and times and seasons and many aspects of the law and old covenant. But they are not right in this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” (Hebrews 4:10 KJV)

This verse references two rests not one, which is why the word ALSO is there, which means in addition to. We receive Christ rest though faith Heb 4:2, those who enter into Christ rest ALSO cease from his works as God did. When did God cease from His works?

Lets let scripture answer this...

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place (Mt Sinai) of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It truly cannot be made any plainer. In Christ rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, including the Sabbath, and why we have this warning not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 Heb 4:6 as the Israelites-because they never entered in their rest into Canann due to disobedience Heb 4:6 as we see here Eze 20:21 Eze 20:13

In Christ rest we are in harmony with Him and His commandments, not in rebellion, the whole point of Hebrews 3 and 4 which is mainly quoting OT scriptures applying it to today.


Isiah 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Rom 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

No I'm not, Paul includes the sabbath and all sabbaths in his verse in Colossians. they are shadows as he said.

no contradiction. Jesus speaks in the time he was in under the law and they still had to do all things they were in bondage to the law, but when Jesus said it is finished he accomplished the finishing work and fulfilled all righteousness, never sinning, dying on the cross for sin and rising again

No, the early Jewish believers were still struggling with the law and temple and old covenant. God doesnt say men have to go against the knowledge they have and their conscience until they have faith and understand. Jesus had many things to say and to judge of them but they were not able to bear many of them until the Holy Ghost was given to guide them into all truth. None could act against their conscience .Paul worked hard to show the new covenant and many of his writings he is directly speaking to your kind of thinking and correcting it. But you don't see it yet.

The early Jewish believers were still going to the temple and keeping all the law and customs for many years after Christ finished the work. They were still in the old covenant in many respects. Ut seemed paul tried to speak to this often. read Acts 15, 21 and Galatians etc.

When Jesus speaks to the Jews he used language they could understand.

I have talked with some of those who are still trying to keep sabbaths and tithing and certain days and times and seasons and many aspects of the law and old covenant. But they are not right in this.

Paul does not have authority to change one jot or tittle to God's law, we don't either as no one is above the Authority of God. Paul was a servant of Christ, not above Christ. Hence why he kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 because he was an advocate to keep God's commandments and tells us its what matters. 1 Cor 7:19 The Sabbath is a commandment of God, just like thou shalt not murder or commit adulty or worship other god's breaking one of God's Ten Commandments we break them as James only contrasted and quoted directly from the Ten James 2:10-12 and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 as it is sin and one would be in fear of Judgement

But if you feel like the Sabbath commandment does not apply to you that's a choice one can make. Sadly most choose this same path similar to the Israelites Eze 20:21 Eze 20:13 we are told not to follow Heb 4:11

For me, I need His sanctification Eze 20:12 and want to do what is righteousness, to serve Him and love His name and want to join myself to Him, so for me, I believe we should not just hear His Word but do them, as that is what we are called to do, be doers of His Word, not just hearers James 1:22. I believe when Christ says the Sabbath was made for man Mat 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:6 He means what He says. I believe when God said He would not alter His Words of His covenant, I believe Him. I believe when God said Remember the Sabbath day because He knew everyone would forget, I believe Him. It's all about our choices. God knows what are needs are which is why He gave us the Sabbath- physical rest from work and spiritual rest in Him. One day out of the week to unplug from the world to focus on Him for a full day Isa 58:13, on the only day God set aside "sanctified" to do so. He knows man has to work to survive Exo 20:9 and only asks for so little back. One day in seven on the Sabbath day, to be refreshed and recharged because God knows what's best for us, He made us after all and why He made the Sabbath for us, because He knows our needs and when we obey what He asks the way He asks, it shows our dependence and faith in Him, instead of ourselves when we choose our own rules instead.

So I am going to bow out, will leave you with Christ of the Bible's Words, who changes not. If you want to stick with Paul's writing that came with a warning many twist to their own destruction 2 Peter 3:16 that's there for good reason, because Paul never went away from Christ teachings, we need to reconcile Paul with Christ not with Christ with Paul. Paul cannot reverse God's blessing, no man can Num 23:20 only God can and you can search the scriptures for all the "thus saith the Lords" on the Sabbath or any of the Ten Commandments and you will find no thus saith the Lord that we no longer need to keep, that we can profane, and you will find the opposite teachings from God. Infact I would look at the last scripture below on what we do to God when we profane His holy things. Again choices. Just like many so-called followers of God crucified Jesus, many people want His blessing, but really don't want Him. Nothing has changed.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The Sabbath is always connected to the seventh day. These are God's personally written and spoken Words that no one is above to alter, and God said He would not alter. The Sabbath even in the NT is still according to the commandment Luke23:56.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

So no Jesus didn't become the Sabbath and we can now profane it as so many confused people teach. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28, Jesus never turned into a commandment or a day i.e. the creation. It's a commandment for us- It is something man does according to Christ- we are to keep God's Sabbath day holy Exo 20:8-11 and in return He blesses, and we join ourselves to Him and He sanctifies us Eze 20:12 because man can't sanctify themselves, we need God.

No wonder the devil has attacked God's Sabbath so much because this is what happens when we don't follow God's Word.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I believe when God said He would not alter His Words of His covenant, I believe Him.

But you hold onto the old covenant that faded away and decayed and waxed old. Do you believe this?

“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” (Hebrews 8:13 KJV)

consider this with these verses that you seem to avoid

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." ( 2 Corinthians 3"6-14 KJV)

Notice Pal speaks of the law "engraved in stones", this is the ten commandments including the sabbath law. These sections are soo strong against the Sabbath law teaching, that not many more verses are needed. But, there are soo many more. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done.

I was sitting in a Seventh day Adventist bible study once ( even though I am not one of them I was invited by someone) and i shared 2 Cor 3 with them and the teacher had no answer he was silenced, i turned to the second in command (wrongly that is) for no man should be in control over others in Christ or lord over them), and he also was confused and silenced and had no answer. I was amazed at their non response, I expected a whole series of words and excuses and attempts to try and make the section mean something other than it means. I left them with the truth and went my way eventually. They also believed that Jesus was Michael the angel. Which is also false i showed them from scripture. So they had another gospel another Jesus and this was very troubling.


So, there really is no bowing out...we are just starting this talk, soo much to say

May God help you and give you understanding of His freedom and grace and how he works in all believer every good work. To see things in the spirit and light. I have only good intentions in our talk. It would be much better if we were sitting at a table face to face to speak of many things, but for now we work in the sphere we are in.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

But you hold onto the old covenant that faded away and decayed and waxed old. Do you believe this?

“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” (Hebrews 8:13 KJV)

consider this with these verses that you seem to avoid

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." ( 2 Corinthians 3"6-14 KJV)

Notice Pal speaks of the law "engraved in stones", this is the ten commandments including the sabbath law. These sections are soo strong against the Sabbath law teaching, that not many more verses are needed. But, there are soo many more. We are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done.

I was sitting in a Seventh day Adventist bible study once ( even though I am not one of them I was invited by someone) and i shared 2 Cor 3 with them and the teacher had no answer he was silenced, i turned to the second in command (wrongly that is) for no man should be in control over others in Christ or lord over them), and he also was confused and silenced and had no answer. I was amazed at their non response, I expected a whole series of words and excuses and attempts to try and make the section mean something other than it means. I left them with the truth and went my way eventually. They also believed that Jesus was Michael the angel. Which is also false i showed them from scripture. So they had another gospel another Jesus and this was very troubling.


So, there really is no bowing out...we are just starting this talk, soo much to say

May God help you and give you understanding of His freedom and grace and how he works in all believer every good work. To see things in the spirit and light. I have only good intentions in our talk. It would be much better if we were sitting at a table face to face to speak of many things, but for now we work in the sphere we are in.

The Old Covenant ended, no doubt ,but God wrote a New Covenant that was established on better promises Heb 8:6 God did not alter His Words just as He promised, which is why God’s law is now written in the hearts- from tables of stone to tables of the heart Heb 8:10 and it is God the one doing - which is a much better promise - God’s doing instead of people doing Exo 19:8. It’s why Jesus and all the apostles kept all of the commandments of God including the Sabbath John 15:10 Luke 4:16. Jesus is the WAY and He is our example to follow 1 John 2:6

None of your scriptures you posted address the Words that proceeds directly out of the mouth of God we are to live by. Mat 4:4. In order for anyone to reverse God’s blessing or something that He wrote by His own finger, we would need a thus saith the Lord. No one is above the Authority of God. All the teachings of Jesus tell us to keep the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 not to break or teach others to break the least of the these commandments Mat 5:19-30.

You rely too much on Pauls writings and do exactly what the scriptures warns when one pits Paul teachings against Christ 2 Peter 3:16 Jesus talks about the difference between the letter and Spirit in Mat 5:19-30 and the spirit of the law is Greater not lessor. If you believe we can now literally worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to false images, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal, or break the least of these, the opposite of what Jesus taught and not heed His warning Mat 5:19 we have free will. When one is living by the spirit they are not an enmity against God and His law Rom 8:4-8.

The scriptures are shared out of love, I am sure the silence you mentioned had nothing to do with not knowing the scriptures but perhaps because they were so out of context and who wants to argue during a bible study.

I’m going to sign out because we keep going over scripture that has already been addressed and I don’t beleive either will change our beliefs anytime soon.

Regardless, all gets sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word.

 

[LoveofTruth]

The Old Covenant ended, no doubt ,but God wrote a New Covenant that was established on better promises Heb 8:6 God did not alter His Words just as He promised, which is why God’s law is now written in the hearts- from tables of stone to tables of the heart Heb 8:10 and it is God the one doing - which is a much better promise - God’s doing instead of people doing Exo 19:8. It’s why Jesus and all the apostles kept all of the commandments of God including the Sabbath John 15:10 Luke 4:16. Jesus is the WAY and He is our example to follow 1 John 2:6

None of your scriptures you posted address the Words that proceeds directly out of the mouth of God we are to live by. Mat 4:4. In order for anyone to reverse God’s blessing or something that He wrote by His own finger, we would need a thus saith the Lord. No one is above the Authority of God. All the teachings of Jesus tell us to keep the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 not to break or teach others to break the least of the these commandments Mat 5:19-30.

You rely too much on Pauls writings and do exactly what the scriptures warns when one pits Paul teachings against Christ 2 Peter 3:16 Jesus talks about the difference between the letter and Spirit in Mat 5:19-30 and the spirit of the law is Greater not lessor. If you believe we can now literally worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to false images, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal, or break the least of these, the opposite of what Jesus taught and not heed His warning Mat 5:19 we have free will. When one is living by the spirit they are not an enmity against God and His law Rom 8:4-8.

The scriptures are shared out of love, I am sure the silence you mentioned had nothing to do with not knowing the scriptures but perhaps because they were so out of context and who wants to argue during a bible study.

I’m going to sign out because we keep going over scripture that has already been addressed and I don’t beleive either will change our beliefs anytime soon.

Regardless, all gets sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well in seeking Truth to God’s Word.

I never put Paul’s teachings against Christ Paul spoke and write the commandments of God.

Soon you may start attacking Paul and putting him down or discrediting what he said because there might seem to be a contradiction “in your mind”, though there is no contradiction.

I have met sone who stress works righteousness according to the mosaic law who hate Paul and attack him often sone even try to say Paul was a devil.

I hope you don’t go this way.

Jesus said Paul was a chosen vessel unto him, Peter gave Paul the right hand of fellowship and warned against those who wrest his words he wrote many wise and deep things.

But as far as what Paul wrote consider very carefully before you text even one word against Paul or what he wrote as scripture in Christ as led by God.

1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

The verses I gave you from Hebrews aand 2 Corinthians directly correct your teaching, directly. It is not enough to try and wrongly say I put Paul against Jesus.

By the way all the saints had to keep the commandments and be circumcised and sacrifice animals under the law , the old covenant. They had the borage of the law upon them and Jesus delivered us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us.

Galatians 3: 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

If you understand my patience and care for you you would know that I see you very similar to their religious Pharisees and legalistic that Paul constantly had issues with .

You have to understand the words related to each covenant and the Old Testament is different than the New Testament.

When Jesus told them to not break any law he would have included animal sacrifices and all the ordinances as well. But that is no more there is a change of the law (Hebrews 7-10)

Galatians 4: 21. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never put Paul’s teachings against Christ Paul spoke and write the commandments of God.

Soon you may start attacking Paul and putting him down or discrediting what he said because there might seem to be a contradiction “in your mind”, though there is no contradiction.

I have met sone who stress works righteousness according to the mosaic law who hate Paul and attack him often sone even try to say Paul was a devil.

I hope you don’t go this way.

Jesus said Paul was a chosen vessel unto him, Peter gave Paul the right hand of fellowship and warned against those who wrest his words he wrote many wise and deep things.

But as far as what Paul wrote consider very carefully before you text even one word against Paul or what he wrote as scripture in Christ as led by God.

1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”

The verses I gave you from Hebrews aand 2 Corinthians directly correct your teaching, directly. It is not enough to try and wrongly say I put Paul against Jesus.

By the way all the saints had to keep the commandments and be circumcised and sacrifice animals under the law , the old covenant. They had the borage of the law upon them and Jesus delivered us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us.

Galatians 3: 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

If you understand my patience and care for you you would know that I see you very similar to their religious Pharisees and legalistic that Paul constantly had issues with .

You have to understand the words related to each covenant and the Old Testament is different than the New Testament.

When Jesus told them to not break any law he would have included animal sacrifices and all the ordinances as well. But that is no more there is a change of the law (Hebrews 7-10)

Galatians 4: 21. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?”

It’s not Paul’s writings that’s the issue 2 Peter 3:16 He was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1. A servant is not greater than his master. John 13:16

 

[LoveofTruth]

It’s not Paul’s writings that’s the issue 2 Peter 3:16 He was a servant of Christ Rom 1:1. A servant is not greater than his master. John 13:16

and your still trying to indirectly imply that we should not listen to Paul if he says things that upset your understanding of things.

God's love according to scripture Is God in us for "God is love" and if he is we live like this,

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." (1 Jophn 4:16 KJV)

"Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8Charity never faileth." (1 Corinthians 13:4-7 KJV)

 

[LoveofTruth]

None of your scriptures you posted address the Words that proceeds directly out of the mouth of God we are to live by.

I posted scripture and Paul wrote scripture from the mouth of God as we see here

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV)

Do you have issue with Paul? doe Pauls clear words showing the old covenant and the Mosaic law are done away trouble you?

Consider what God said through Paul .

Galatians 3:12
12 And the law is not of faith:..."

1 Timothy 1:5-7 KJV)
"5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law*; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"

and the section you seem to run from quickly and this is not right to avoid this section Paul wrote this in the direction of the Lord

2 Corinthians 3:7-17 KJV
"7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious*, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather* glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious*, much more that which remaineth is glorious*.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon* their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Romans 3:19-23
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law [this would include keeping sabbath and circumcision and special days and tithing and dietary laws etc] there shall no* flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

and seriously examine this section for a believer cannot be married to two. If a person says they are married to the law and hrist they are spiritually in error.

Romans 7:1-11
"1 Know ye not, brethren,* (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as* he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then* if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid*. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found* to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."

so Paul (lead by the Spirit of God directly) says of the law'

"the law is not of faith"
we are "dead to the law"
"delivered from the law"
righteousness is "without the law"
"by the law is the knowledge of sin"
Paul says (by the Spirit of God) "the end of the commandment is charity"
Paul said (by the Spirit of God), that the law is "done away", :"is abolished", a "ministration of condemnation"

 

[LoveofTruth]

You rely too much on Pauls writings

This may be part of your problem here. I )as all believers should) hear God speaking directly through scripture that Paul wrote

Paul said

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." (1 Corinthians 14:37,38 KJV)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This may be part of your problem here. I )as all believers should) hear God speaking directly through scripture that Paul wrote

Paul said

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." (1 Corinthians 14:37,38 KJV)

As stated the issue is not Paul, its how people twist his writing to contradict Jesus and the rest of scriptures. Thats the issue.

 

[LoveofTruth]

If you believe we can now literally worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to false images, break His holy Sabbath day, covet, steal, or break the least of these,

I never said any can do these things as you imply. But the sabbath was a specific law and outwardly observed as many other shadows and types were that are done away for today and abolished ( 2 Cor 3, Hebrews)

If you think you keep the Sabbath according to the law or tithing etc, they had very detailed specific things to be done according to the law which you do not do today. For example if a person broke the sabbath they were to die and tithing was to e done connected to the temple and for the Jews in Israel and the priest were to give a tithe of the tithe as a heave offering, and they were to tithe to the poor the widow and the stranger etc etc.

A;so we only fond the sabbath keeping as a strict law after Moses. We do not read of Abraham, Issac, Jacob or others before Moses keeping a Sabbath. In fact we read that the Sabbath was revealed to Moses. It would appear that God's Holy Sabbath was not known until then ( for the Jews that is, not Gentiles)

Neh 9:14 "And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:"

And when God rested in Genesis does it say God did this for Himself or for man? Not for man according to the text. We do not read of God making man subject to a sabbath law here or that even Adam knew about this. So the assumptions here are not right that many make.

as far as the sabbath law consider what you do not do

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein,
that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

Do you do this? if so you are on great error and if not you break the law. It is amazing how some wil squirm and twist to avoid such clear verses and still try and say they are keeping the law. This is the same with the tithing law they make all sorts of exceptions, they were to bring the tithe into the storehouse part of the temple, But because there is no temple today some try and twist this man try to make a man made building unbiblically called a "church": the storehouse or temple???

Some would try to make the death penalty go away but its part of the OT law. No punishment no law, they go together. What if we had no law against stealing someones goods and just put people in jail with no law? A lawyer would get them out immediately.

Now some try to create a fiction that the ceremonial part of the law is gone and with it the penalty. But this is confusion. But the punishment for breaking the Sabbath law of the past was connected directly to the sabbath, so there can be no splitting it up , unless the entire law is done away and abolish when w person comes to God by faith and has the Spirit . Then as Paul said we are dead to the law and free from it and the bondage under it.

And there were other very strict aspects of the sabbath day, no work at all no travel, no pleasure of their own wills or lighting a fire even if it is cold, etc etc . Or they were violating the sabbath and to be put to death.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I never said any can do these things as you imply. But the sabbath was a specific law and outwardly observed as many other shadows and types were that are done away for today and abolished ( 2 Cor 3, Hebrews)

If you think you keep the Sabbath according to the law or tithing etc, they had very detailed specific things to be done according to the law which you do not do today. For example if a person broke the sabbath they were to die and tithing was to e done connected to the temple and for the Jews in Israel and the priest were to give a tithe of the tithe as a heave offering, and they were to tithe to the poor the widow and the stranger etc etc.

A;so we only fond the sabbath keeping as a strict law after Moses. We do not read of Abraham, Issac, Jacob or others before Moses keeping a Sabbath. In fact we read that the Sabbath was revealed to Moses. It would appear that God's Holy Sabbath was not known until then ( for the Jews that is, not Gentiles)

Neh 9:14 "And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:"

And when God rested in Genesis does it say God did this for Himself or for man? Not for man according to the text. We do not read of God making man subject to a sabbath law here or that even Adam knew about this. So the assumptions here are not right that many make.

as far as the sabbath law consider what you do not do

Exo 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein,
that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

Do you do this? if so you are on great error and if not you break the law. It is amazing how some wil squirm and twist to avoid such clear verses and still try and say they are keeping the law. This is the same with the tithing law they make all sorts of exceptions, they were to bring the tithe into the storehouse part of the temple, But because there is no temple today some try and twist this man try to make a man made building unbiblically called a "church": the storehouse or temple???

Some would try to make the death penalty go away but its part of the OT law. No punishment no law, they go together. What if we had no law against stealing someones goods and just put people in jail with no law? A lawyer would get them out immediately.

Now some try to create a fiction that the ceremonial part of the law is gone and with it the penalty. But this is confusion. But the punishment for breaking the Sabbath law of the past was connected directly to the sabbath, so there can be no splitting it up , unless the entire law is done away and abolish when w person comes to God by faith and has the Spirit . Then as Paul said we are dead to the law and free from it and the bondage under it.

And there were other very strict aspects of the sabbath day, no work at all no travel, no pleasure of their own wills or lighting a fire even if it is cold, etc etc . Or they were violating the sabbath and to be put to death.

Please see WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.
WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED. WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.

Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20 there is no thus saith the Lord in ALL of God's Word saying we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment and we can now profane it- God alone wrote the Ten Commandments as He did not leave it up to man to write His moral law that defines sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14. All of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many, says the opposite to keep and not profane.

It wasn't just breaking the Sabbath commandment that came with a death sentence in the OT, plucking out the Sabbath commandment from the rest of God's finger-written commandments is a common practice for some. But God never separated them. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exodus 20 Neither did Jesus Mat 5:18-30. God said Remember Exo 20:8- man says forget, Jesus said to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Mat 4:4 so that's who I choose to place my faith in.

Why sadly there's just a remnant left Rev 12:17KJV because the saints keep the commandments of God Rev 14:12, the Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exo 20:8-11 He blesses His saints who don't profane the Sabbath and takes them to His holy mountain (heaven) Isa 56:1-7 because the Sabbath never went away who for those who keep the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 Isa 66:22-23 because Jesus lived to be our example and He kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 as did God Exo 20:11 the faithful apostles Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 and His faithful followers Luke 23:56 seems like good company to be in.

But we are given free will.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Please see WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.
WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED. WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.

Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20 there is no thus saith the Lord in ALL of God's Word saying we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment and we can now profane it- God alone wrote the Ten Commandments as He did not leave it up to man to write His moral law that defines sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14. All of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many, says the opposite to keep and not profane.

It wasn't just breaking the Sabbath commandment that came with a death sentence in the OT, plucking out the Sabbath commandment from the rest of God's finger-written commandments is a common practice for some. But God never separated them. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exodus 20 Neither did Jesus Mat 5:18-30. God said Remember Exo 20:8- man says forget, Jesus said to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Mat 4:4 so that's who I choose to place my faith in.

Why sadly there's just a remnant left Rev 12:17KJV because the saints keep the commandments of God Rev 14:12, the Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exo 20:8-11 He blesses His saints who don't profane the Sabbath and takes them to His holy mountain (heaven) Isa 56:1-7 because the Sabbath never went away who for those who keep the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 Isa 66:22-23 because Jesus lived to be our example and He kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 as did God Exo 20:11 the faithful apostles Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 and His faithful followers Luke 23:56 seems like good company to be in.

But we are given free will.

The sabbath and sabbaths were shadows of spiritual truth and of resting in Christ from our own works and trusting God by faith.

If you miss that you miss the entire new covenant and just as sacrificing animals was a shadow of Christ death Christ dying on the cross forever ebded the need of that sacrifice of animals the commandment to sacrifice animals ended and the shadows gave way to the substance .

I give these verses to you but I am not sure if you can see them there may be a veil on the heart still .

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

Colossians 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

2 Corinthians 3: 7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:…13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:”

Hebrews 7: 12. For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 8: 5. Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord… 13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Hebrews 10: 1. For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”

 

[LoveofTruth]

Please see WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.
WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED. WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA MAKES SENSE - UPDATED.

Only God can reverse His blessing, not man Num 23:20 there is no thus saith the Lord in ALL of God's Word saying we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment and we can now profane it- God alone wrote the Ten Commandments as He did not leave it up to man to write His moral law that defines sin 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 and what all man will be Judged by 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14. All of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many, says the opposite to keep and not profane.

It wasn't just breaking the Sabbath commandment that came with a death sentence in the OT, plucking out the Sabbath commandment from the rest of God's finger-written commandments is a common practice for some. But God never separated them. Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exodus 20 Neither did Jesus Mat 5:18-30. God said Remember Exo 20:8- man says forget, Jesus said to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Mat 4:4 so that's who I choose to place my faith in.

Why sadly there's just a remnant left Rev 12:17KJV because the saints keep the commandments of God Rev 14:12, the Sabbath is a commandment of God. Exo 20:8-11 He blesses His saints who don't profane the Sabbath and takes them to His holy mountain (heaven) Isa 56:1-7 because the Sabbath never went away who for those who keep the faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 Isa 66:22-23 because Jesus lived to be our example and He kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 as did God Exo 20:11 the faithful apostles Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 and His faithful followers Luke 23:56 seems like good company to be in.

But we are given free will.

Here is an interesting bit of info I found for you to consider

The "eternal weekly Sabbath" and "eternal animal sacrifices" were abolished!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The sabbath and sabbaths were shadows of spiritual truth and of resting in Christ from our own works and trusting God by faith.

If you miss that you miss the entire new covenant and just as sacrificing animals was a shadow of Christ death Christ dying on the cross forever ebded the need of that sacrifice of animals the commandment to sacrifice animals ended and the shadows gave way to the substance .

I give these verses to you but I am not sure if you can see them there may be a veil on the heart still .

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

Colossians 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

2 Corinthians 3: 7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:…13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:”

Hebrews 7: 12. For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 8: 5. Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord… 13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Hebrews 10: 1. For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment, is not a shadow of Christ. It was given at Creation, alongside marriage (Genesis 2:1-3). So unless marriage is also a shadow, the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is still binding.

Its why Paul was so careful to provide the context of the sabbath shadows Col 2:14KJV - something that was handwritten- does that fit the context of the Sabbath commandment? No God finger wrote His moral law that defines sin and what man will be judged by His own finger Exo 31:18. Was the Sabbath an ordinance? No, God called His Ten Commandments "My commandments" Exo 20:6 the ordinances were handwritten by Moses that was placed outside the ark of the Covenant, that included the annual sabbath(s) ordinances that came after the fall of man. God's moral and righteous law was placed inside. Exo 40:20 Was the weekly Sabbath contrary or against - No! God blessed and sanctified the seventh day Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 and hallowed it Exo 20:11 not the definition of contrary or against and only God can reverse His blessing, Num 23:20 , yet you have provided no scripture that has a thus saith the Lord that we no longer need to keep God's holy Sabbath commandment. I can see why we have this warning in scripture about Paul's writings 2 Peter 3:16 Paul would never advocate that we sin against God.

Sadly many Christians cling to Col 2:16 without carefully studying the context or how it relates to the teachings of Jesus. If one did it is obviously it is not about the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment of God.

I will show you through scripture what the substance that is no longer binding since Christ came.

First, we need to understand what sin is as that is what our salvation is from. We are saved from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin. Heb 10:26-30

Sin is the transgression of God's law
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

So sin is breaking God's Ten Commandments and it is what we will be judged by- breaking one we break them all. Jesus in His own Words said the same thing telling us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments quoting from the Ten and in doing so one would be in fear of sin and Judgement. Mat 5:19-30


There is more than on sabbath in scripture. Paul was very careful to provide the details on the sabbath(s) he was referring to which was not the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment of God, written by God's own finger that is holy and blessed. The opposite of the context Paul provided.

It is the annual sabbaths contained in ordinances that were handwritten that have to do with food and drink and holy days which some are also called sabbath(s) that were given after the fall of man written by Moses placed on the outside of the ark as a witness against. This is the context. The weekly Sabbath was placed inside the ark Exo 40:20 and is the only commandment that reveals our Creator and points us back to Creation before sin entered so is not a shadow of anything. Not contrary or against. Not handwritten by Moses. The weekly Sabbath is not nailed to the cross, the apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 18:4 as they were servants of God and God's people keep God's commandments. Rev 14:12

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

If we look at verse 17 scripture tells us what this points to

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Please read carefully because this tells us exactly what it points to the context of Col 2:14-17

This is the law being referred to.... the context will always reveal itself if we allow it to.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

What was taken away at the Cross? Animal sacrifices for sin. They always pointed forward to Christ whose blood can take away the sins of the world. So now in the New Covenant instead of bringing an animal offering for sin we have Jesus who is our High Priest and Advocate who we can go to when we sin and repent which means a change of heart and direction. It's why the New Covenant is established on better promises, not better laws because God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 because God is perfect- He could not personally write an imperfect law. It's why its still a sin in the NC to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 breaking one is like breaking them all James 2:10-12 and why there is no scripture that says the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. It was predicted the Sabbath would be changed Dan 7:25 but not by God. Sadly there is only a remnant left who keep God's commandment Rev 12:17 God is calling us out of our false teachings Rev 18:4 because He is coming back soon. The Sabbath shows we are worshipping the true God Eze 20:20, the only God who has the power to sanctify us Eze 20:12 the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 and the same God of our Judgement Rev 14:12

I pray you consider these scriptures in prayer.

 

[LoveofTruth]

The Sabbath of the fourth commandment, is not a shadow of Christ.

It’s a shadow of ceasing from our own works as God did from his

It was given at Creation, alongside marriage (Genesis 2:1-3). So unless marriage is also a shadow, the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is still binding.

Marriage is a shadow also of Christ and his Church as we read,

Ephesians 5: 31. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It’s a shadow of ceasing from our own works as God did from his

Marriage is a shadow also of Christ and his Church as we read,

Ephesians 5: 31. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

We read scripture very differently. Marriage is hardly a shadow and the verse you use does not say that at all. Just like God's Sabbath at Creation is not a shadow, will be kept by God's faithful for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 56:1-7 Isa 66:22-23

Guess we will find out soon enough.