Why should we believe the science communmity's consensus on climate change?

[essentialsaltes]

Problem is, there is no consensus of experts on climate change.

Funny, the title of your thread is about the science community's consensus on climate change.

Most experts have an agenda.

Citation needed. They have opinions, surely. But what happens when there is a consensus, as in this case? How can a pool of experts almost all come to the same conclusions, if each is following his or her own agenda?

I listen to them, and study them to see where their funding comes from.

Let's say the NSF. What does that tell us?

For example, I'm an expert in my field. I use it to help my company out. If someone from another company wants my expertise, I have to examine whether providing it would benefit my company. Another example, we sell military hardware to other countries. We often leave out the most advanced of our technical equipment. Why? In case the other country wants to turn it on us.

Scientific experts don't hide their expertise. They publish it to their community for comment and ultimately to the public. In the case of recipients of NSF grants, they must make their data public within a year of publication.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Twilight of the Climate Change Movement - The American Interest

 

[Root of Jesse]

The question is not where all the human flesh can fit. There is indeed room for it. But could Texas support 7.6 billion people, each with 1000 sq ft of varied terrain? I seriously doubt it.

You miss the point. The point is not that the should. The point is that it could, and if it could, you have a massive earth to support the 7.6 Billion.

But there is no cause to invoke this. It would be just as easy to list all the times experts were correct and were ignored. The financial deregulation under Clinton. Economists predicted that what did happen would happen...and were ignored. And then, years later, it did.

So sometimes experts are ignored but are right. But more often than not, they're paid attention to and are wrong. Just look at nutritional science. Pseudo-science. You have all kinds of thought as to how people should eat, and every year, fads are proven wrong. Coffee/no coffee, butter/margarine, Adkins/something else.
The point is that climate change is not catastrophic, as the climate 'science' group wants you to believe. It's exactly why AlGore built his home on the coast-because the oceans are rising, you see. They're trying to control natural phenomena, and they won't be able to do it.

 

[durangodawood]

The fact is that birth control availability actually increases the likelihood of procreating....

If I may quote you: "prove it".

 

[archer75]

You miss the point. The point is not that the should. The point is that it could, and if it could, you have a massive earth to support the 7.6 Billion.
So sometimes experts are ignored but are right. But more often than not, they're paid attention to and are wrong. Just look at nutritional science. Pseudo-science. You have all kinds of thought as to how people should eat, and every year, fads are proven wrong. Coffee/no coffee, butter/margarine, Adkins/something else.
The point is that climate change is not catastrophic, as the climate 'science' group wants you to believe. It's exactly why AlGore built his home on the coast-because the oceans are rising, you see. They're trying to control natural phenomena, and they won't be able to do it.

So, just so I understand - you propose that if 7+ billion people were put in Texas, then the rest of the earth's surface - much of which is water or not arable - would produce crops that would feed the people in Texas? If this isn't what you meant, I didnt mean to misrepresent it. Just checking.

 

[Goonie]

So, just so I understand - you propose that if 7+ billion people were put in Texas, then the rest of the earth's surface - much of which is water or not arable - would produce crops that would feed the people in Texas? If this isn't what you meant, I didnt mean to misrepresent it. Just checking.

Not just that, but all in Texas without birth control.

 

[Root of Jesse]

If I may quote you: "prove it".

Study: schools that give away condoms see more teen births, not fewer

Sorry folks. Contraception access increases abortions. And here’s the proof.

 

[Root of Jesse]

So, just so I understand - you propose that if 7+ billion people were put in Texas, then the rest of the earth's surface - much of which is water or not arable - would produce crops that would feed the people in Texas? If this isn't what you meant, I didnt mean to misrepresent it. Just checking.

Yes. Ever hear of fish and seaweed?

 

[archer75]

Yes. Ever hear of fish and seaweed?

So...do they commute to catch the fish and seaweed?

 

[Goonie]

So...do they commute to catch the fish and seaweed?

There’s elephants all the way down.

 

[Nithavela]

Study: schools that give away condoms see more teen births, not fewer

Sorry folks. Contraception access increases abortions. And here’s the proof.

Did you actually read those stories?

One of them is from an anti-contraception blog that pushes the view that no woman should use contraception, period, and the other one says that the negative effect only happens when there are condoms, but no counseling, to the kids don't know how to use them.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Did you actually read those stories?

One of them is from an anti-contraception blog that pushes the view that no woman should use contraception, period, and the other one says that the negative effect only happens when there are condoms, but no counseling, to the kids don't know how to use them.

Yes, I read them. I'm Catholic and LifeSiteNews is a regular reading site for me. Regarding your second point, what schools actually provide counseling to kids to teach them how to use them, and how many children follow instructions in school?

 

[Root of Jesse]

So...do they commute to catch the fish and seaweed?

You asked where do they all get their food from. The land, the ocean, which is where we get the food now.
You act as if I'm advocating shoe-horning the entire population into Texas. The point is that the earth is not overpopulated.

 

[Nithavela]

Yes, I read them. I'm Catholic and LifeSiteNews is a regular reading site for me.

My condolescence.

Regarding your second point, what schools actually provide counseling to kids to teach them how to use them, and how many children follow instructions in school?

For your first question, here's a nice, colorfull graphic. For the second part of the question, some actually do, which is why those schools have reduced pregnancies.

 

[durangodawood]

Study: schools that give away condoms see more teen births, not fewer

Sorry folks. Contraception access increases abortions. And here’s the proof.

We were talking about birth control generally, and you come back with condoms only "proof".

 

[Goonie]

You asked where do they all get their food from. The land, the ocean, which is where we get the food now.
You act as if I'm advocating shoe-horning the entire population into Texas. The point is that the earth is not overpopulated.

Seriously yes it is.
https://www.the-guardian.com/environment/2017/sep/12/third-of-earths-soil-acutely-degraded-due-to-agriculture-study
Land degradation threatens human wellbeing, major report warns

The earth is running out of fertile soil to feed an exponentially growing population, whilst at the same time we are killing the oceans, and that is without taking anthropogenic climate change into account.

 

[Root of Jesse]

My condolescence.

I don't need your condolences.
For the below, it's a lot like a map of states with (D) governors. I wonder if you have any studies that show reduced pregnancies when schools provide condoms, whether or not they give instruction. I do know that, when abstinence is tried, it's 100% effective. Condom use cannot make that claim.

For your first question, here's a nice, colorfull graphic. For the second part of the question, some actually do, which is why those schools have reduced pregnancies.

Now, back to the subject: Why should we believe the science community's 'consensus' on climate change?

 

[Root of Jesse]

We were talking about birth control generally, and you come back with condoms only "proof".

The second one isn't only about condoms.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Seriously yes it is.
https://www.the-guardian.com/environment/2017/sep/12/third-of-earths-soil-acutely-degraded-due-to-agriculture-study
Land degradation threatens human wellbeing, major report warns

The earth is running out of fertile soil to feed an exponentially growing population, whilst at the same time we are killing the oceans, and that is without taking anthropogenic climate change into account.

The UN doesn't know what it's talking about. They're also part of the power grabbing elites.
It also goes to the point, why SHOULD we believe 'experts'?

 

[Nithavela]

For the below, it's a lot like a map of states with (D) governors.

Maybe because it's mainly republicans that are pushing for less sex education.

I wonder if you have any studies that show reduced pregnancies when schools provide condoms, whether or not they give instruction.

Here's the thing: There need to be condoms as well as the neccessary instruction for them to be effective. If the proper use of condoms isn't taught, they lead to risky behaviour and aren't effective. Condoms aren't a magic pill that you just chuck at teenagers to stop them from getting pregnant, they are a tool that need to be properly employed.

I do know that, when abstinence is tried, it's 100% effective.

The problem that in places with abstinence only education, it isn't actually tried all that often. Teen girls go to purity balls and wear purity rings and all that virtue signalling, but once their hormones kick in and they find a more or less fitting mate, that all goes out of the (car) window.