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Why should one care if ''God'' exists?

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I don't follow your analogy. What are you trying to say here? What is the distinction that you are drawing?


eudaimonia,

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i'm trying to say that just because you stepped on a sticker as a child did not mean you had a terrible life. how much more would to an eternal being?

you are learning and growing. the person you were 10 years ago is not the same person that you are now. for you to attempt to judge the part of you that is more stable and less alterable in the higher up realities is like saying the earth can contain the universe.

i'm not saying that human beings are insignificant at all though. i'm not saying that we don't have freedom... though freedom takes effort and the sleeping of freedom will trap one in 'fate' where they become bound to what thy are and to the circumstances they go through. i'm just saying that if we really had a perfectly accurate vision of our desires then we would want it.

and so we have to blind ourselves in order to experience things in certain ways and having a limited human body is a great way to blind the children of God. it affords us to be ignorant and it afford challenges and experiences that no god could ever have unless he chose to limit himself.
 
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The problem with what you're saying here is this is your opinion, yet there seems to an authoritative tone to your post. It is your opinion like all of religions is, if we're honest.

It would be like me saying, "2+2=10. No really. It does!"

But you know that my comment is based on opinion. I'm often mystified that religion gets away with talking authoritatively, to the point of affecting laws and government rulings and such, and it's really nothing more than people's opinions on who they think a god is to them.

I'm not judging you, but just stating that observation.

it is your observation and your perception of me and so it is by your own authority and freedom that you have declared about me what you see or might believe me to be or not be.

sadly not everything can be explained with ones own perception of reality. i could just tell you that we are all the same person but you would only use the part of you that is different to say that we are not the same. that is true in its own sense but when it comes to certain facets of reality that you have probably not experienced then what I said is completely true.

2 + 2 = 10 but you have to understand where i'm coming from before you can understand why. when you filter things through your own mind you use all of your understanding and experience to judge what someone else who has different understandings and experiences says. so how can you know what a person speaking in greek says unless you also speak in greek?


tbh if I had authority in this world it would be a better place because I don't force people to abide by all kinds of insane laws. if I did tax people ( which is nothing more than theft ) I would use it to help others, as opposed to fueling a war machine. obviously forced authority is a very evil thing and yet you probably don't realize just how much others force you in one way or another. this is why freedom is very important in spiritual development. freedom is not required for functioning in the world.

but I can see why you think the way you do. you follow a certain philosophical way of thinking based in materialism I suppose. but whatever you may be, because it's not like I understand you on a personal level, I know that when you speak about anything that is good or right... that you are being spiritual.

to judge a category such as government or atheist or religion and apply it to the individual... is a grave error. each person is more important than this entire universe. each PERSON is irreplaceable. my religion tell mes that each human beings is priceless and that they must be free. so obviously I don't fall into the douchey authoritarian-type person though I speak with authority. obviously everyone with a opinion or a world view speak with an authority of sort.

you might reject religious authorities because you feel evil comes with such and you are right at times because sometimes religious people do evil. but you are biased and not being a just judge if you think that only religion is problem. humanity in general has a struggle with evil and this problem infest all spheres of human life and experience.
 
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because there is a difference in between someones human soul and someones real self. the human soul is like a plant in the garden of who they are in totality. by knowing the larger parts of all of humanity and thus every human on a deeper level it is easy to come to conclusions such as "everyone loves God". in eternity you can view people for who they are rather than viewing them in this world where all that is happening is that a story is being played out whos ultimate conclusion is the same as their ultimate beginning. viewing things from further back you see that everything was always part of an expression of free love that was so important that it afforded many things to be able to occur such as various evils in our world and even the death of the son of God. basically... God makes very complicated stories with his beloved.




even satan himself... after you dig through all the layers to find Lucifer.


Does nothing to explain how you can claim to know other people's inner most feelings.
 
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Does nothing to explain how you can claim to know other people's inner most feelings.

that is because what you believe to be innermost feelings and what i believe to be innermost feelings are probably two different things. I would say I probed much deeper than what you believe is "innermost". you might have seen the same thing I did and still come to a different conclusion. that is because of your world view though. perception colors everything.

if you would like to admit that you want good and not evil then I will say you probed deeply enough. i remember even when I actively wanted evil. I searched myself out and I now know that even when I wanted evil that I was affirming that i wanted good. I just thought that doing evil was the correct means in obtaining good for myself. at the time I had figured that death and annihilation was the best way to go.
 
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that is because what you believe to be innermost feelings and what i believe to be innermost feelings are two different things. I would say I probed much deeper than what you believe is "innermost"

How do you probe the inner most feelings of people you don't know?
 
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i'm trying to say that just because you stepped on a sticker as a child did not mean you had a terrible life.

Agreed.

for you to attempt to judge the part of you that is more stable and less alterable in the higher up realities is like saying the earth can contain the universe.

Higher up realities? Huh? :confused:

Your point is completely obscure to me.

and so we have to blind ourselves in order to experience things in certain ways and having a limited human body is a great way to blind the children of God. it affords us to be ignorant and it afford challenges and experiences that no god could ever have unless he chose to limit himself.

I have absolutely no clue what you are saying here. It just seems to be praise for blindness and ignorance.


eudaimonia,

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it is your observation and your perception of me and so it is by your own authority and freedom that you have declared about me what you see or might believe me to be or not be.

sadly not everything can be explained with ones own perception of reality. i could just tell you that we are all the same person but you would only use the part of you that is different to say that we are not the same. that is true in its own sense but when it comes to certain facets of reality that you have probably not experienced then what I said is completely true.

2 + 2 = 10 but you have to understand where i'm coming from before you can understand why. when you filter things through your own mind you use all of your understanding and experience to judge what someone else who has different understandings and experiences says. so how can you know what a person speaking in greek says unless you also speak in greek?


tbh if I had authority in this world it would be a better place because I don't force people to abide by all kinds of insane laws. if I did tax people ( which is nothing more than theft ) I would use it to help others, as opposed to fueling a war machine. obviously forced authority is a very evil thing and yet you probably don't realize just how much others force you in one way or another. this is why freedom is very important in spiritual development. freedom is not required for functioning in the world.

but I can see why you think the way you do. you follow a certain philosophical way of thinking based in materialism I suppose. but whatever you may be, because it's not like I understand you on a personal level, I know that when you speak about anything that is good or right... that you are being spiritual.

to judge a category such as government or atheist or religion and apply it to the individual... is a grave error. each person is more important than this entire universe. each PERSON is irreplaceable. my religion tell mes that each human beings is priceless and that they must be free. so obviously I don't fall into the douchey authoritarian-type person though I speak with authority. obviously everyone with a opinion or a world view speak with an authority of sort.

you might reject religious authorities because you feel evil comes with such and you are right at times because sometimes religious people do evil. but you are biased and not being a just judge if you think that only religion is problem. humanity in general has a struggle with evil and this problem infest all spheres of human life and experience.

I said nothing about you as a person. I don't know you. I commented on the tone of your post and that what you are "saying" is an opinion. Unless you have proof of all you say, it is an opinion. Your opinion.

And atheism isn't synonymous with materialism. I'm not sure why that notion has taken such shape in Christian circles.
 
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I said nothing about you as a person. I don't know you. I commented on the tone of your post and that what you are "saying" is an opinion. Unless you have proof of all you say, it is an opinion. Your opinion.

And atheism isn't synonymous with materialism. I'm not sure why that notion has taken such shape in Christian circles.

atheism is not synonymous with materialism. this is true. But are you a materialist? Seems that you might not be. If you are not, why?
 
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atheism is not synonymous with materialism. this is true. But are you a materialist? Seems that you might not be. If you are not, why?

I think that there are many answers that lie in wait relating to our universe, that none of us knows. I consider myself open to the possibility of a creator existing, but without proof, I won't worship one. I won't worship a "being" that has been invented by ancient fables and a dose of my own imagination.

No one knows with certainty if a god exists or doesn't. I just ask that people stop pretending like they know with certainty.

Hope that helps better share my stance.
 
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How do you probe the inner most feelings of people you don't know?

He didn't even say that, yet you ask him why he did. Try to read peoples' posts more carefully before replying.

No one knows with certainty if a god exists or doesn't. I just ask that people stop pretending like they know with certainty.

Hope that helps better share my stance.

Who knows anything with certainty, even in this life? But it doesn't stop us from stepping out in faith. Getting into my 15 year old car made by a company that has more recalls on vehicles than any other, and then driving on streets populated by people I've never met after doing who-knows-what is an example.
 
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He didn't even say that, yet you ask him why he did. Try to read peoples' posts more carefully before replying.



Who knows anything with certainty, even in this life? But it doesn't stop us from stepping out in faith. Getting into my 15 year old car made by a company that has more recalls on vehicles than any other, and then driving on streets populated by people I've never met after doing who-knows-what is an example.

Yea but at least you're certain the car exists!
I couldn't resist! :p lol
 
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Yea but at least you're certain the car exists!
I couldn't resist! :p lol

LOL! True, but I don't know for certain that it will hold together. But I'm fairly certain it will. Not 100%, but certain enough.

If that's good enough for getting me around for the day, then I think it's good enough for a faith that is my best chance at eternal life.
 
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I think that there are many answers that lie in wait relating to our universe, that none of us knows. I consider myself open to the possibility of a creator existing, but without proof, I won't worship one. I won't worship a "being" that has been invented by ancient fables and a dose of my own imagination.

No one knows with certainty if a god exists or doesn't. I just ask that people stop pretending like they know with certainty.

Hope that helps better share my stance.

Thanks but you didnt answer my question. I asked you if you were a materialist and if not, why?
 
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Thanks but you didnt answer my question. I asked you if you were a materialist and if not, why?

I answered you in post #130. Further elaborating, I live my life on a daily basis as a materialist, I suppose you could say, but with an open mind. ;)
 
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Nobody should care if "god" exists or not, because:

1- "god" is an unfalsifiable term (Ignosticism)
2- It can't be proven or dispoven and doesn't seem to matter either way (Apathetic Agnosticism)
3- Even if a deity does exist, it either doesn't care about us (Apatheism) or simply abandoned us entirely (Deism)
 
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Nobody should care if "god" exists or not, because:

1- "god" is an unfalsifiable term (Ignosticism)
2- It can't be proven or dispoven and doesn't seem to matter either way (Apathetic Agnosticism)
3- Even if a deity does exist, it either doesn't care about us (Apatheism) or simply abandoned us entirely (Deism)

This is interesting! I almost didn't take you seriously at first and then...I noticed your sig. Lol

I'm not sure about #3. If a god exists, it/he could love his creation, we just don't know.
 
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Nobody should care if "god" exists or not, because:

1- "god" is an unfalsifiable term (Ignosticism)
2- It can't be proven or dispoven and doesn't seem to matter either way (Apathetic Agnosticism)
3- Even if a deity does exist, it either doesn't care about us (Apatheism) or simply abandoned us entirely (Deism)

Your view would be valid as long as someone subscribed to points 1,2 and 3.
 
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Your view would be valid as long as someone subscribed to points 1,2 and 3.

I see. Because you believe, you don't subscribe to it. You say interesting things I think, Aldebaran. I'm left pondering. :)
 
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I see. Because you believe, you don't subscribe to it. You say interesting things I think, Aldebaran. I'm left pondering. :)

Seriously?
 
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