Why should I tithe?

[BeforeThereWas]

Tithing is within the law, which as Christians, has been "done away with" Rom 10:4, Rom 7:6. It is always questionable when a church says tithing is a commandment or is necessary. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that we are to be a "cheerful giver" and give what WE have decided, not what the law has (10%).

In addition to what you said here, tithing in the Bible also had nothing to do with the monetary wages of any wage earner.

I've challenged many people to prove otherwise, and to this day not one verse has been produced that empirically stands as evidence to the contrary.

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[BeforeThereWas]

Jesus said to give to God what is Gods.
God says one tenth of all earnings

Would you mind sharing with us where God said anything about handing over a portion of one's earnings in the context of the tithe?

Also, the instruction Jesus gave regarding rendering unto Caesar what was his, and to God what is His, the context was taxation, not tithing nor giving. What we owe God is obedience, not money.

I realize the big-name, popular TV teachers out there, who are the money-hound teachers of falsehoods, would disagree with me on this point, but we have scripture on our side to show them for the liars they are.

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[BeforeThereWas]

....And today pastors are the ones who are supposed to work church,

Do you know of a job description within the Bible for "pastors". I realize they're mentioned once in Ephesians, but no job description is offered anywhere in that section of scripture.

So, how did you arrive at the idea that modern "pastors" are what the Lord had in mind?

Pastors spend a lot of their time out trying to evangelize and if the church doesn't tithe there is no income for the church so there is no pay which makes it harder for pastors to be the best if they have to work in other places to support themselves and families.

What about the collective body doing that work, and therefore actually functioning as the believers we're all supposed to be? Why lay that on just one hirling?

Also to this, tithe is also used to keep the church running;lights, heat, water, emergencies, etc.

The problem with this are the teachings that the primary, largest percentage of the people's giving should go fo the support of such things. Utilizing only the leftovers for meeting the needs of fellow believers is a robbery of God, and indicates Satan has a strong hold on such an organization most call their "church".

I therefore counsel that one give to their church organization as a lower priority to actually putting people before the luxuries of communal buildings and professional, religious staffing.

BTW

 

[stormdancer0]

IMO, you don't need to tithe. I don't tithe simply because I need to be fiscally responsible. I don't have the ability to without hampering my future. While some people may see it as an opportunity for God to "bless" me, that will only come if a conviction to tithe comes with the tithing. I can't just tithe and expect God to bless me simply because I followed some petty rule. Blessings come when we do things to the glory of God, and in the long-run, tithing does not glorify God(for me)

Well, as long as you are not "hampering your future," God will likely see no need to hamper you with the blessings He promised those who obey him.

"Some petty rule." Really? You're calling a law of God a petty rule?

I guess God's Word means more to some folks than others.

 

[stormdancer0]

In addition to what you said here, tithing in the Bible also had nothing to do with the monetary wages of any wage earner.

I've challenged many people to prove otherwise, and to this day not one verse has been produced that empirically stands as evidence to the contrary.

BTW

COOL.

So if you don't plant food or raise animals, GOD'S BLESSINGS ARE FREE!!

Stupid farmers. If only they would get a job, they wouldn't have to give God anything.

(Sarcasm totally intended)

 

[stormdancer0]

Jesus said to them, “Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and give to God the things that are God’s.” (Luke 20:25 NCV)
“ ‘One-tenth of all crops belongs to the Lord, including the crops from fields and the fruit from trees. That one-tenth is holy to the Lord. “ ‘The priest will take every tenth animal from a person’s herd or flock, and it will be holy to the Lord. The owner should not pick out the good animals from the bad or exchange one animal for another. If that happens, both animals will become holy; they cannot be bought back.’ ” (Leviticus 27:30, 32, 33 NCV)
Jesus said to give to God what is Gods.
God says one tenth of all earnings

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars (talking about the taxes, which is what the question was about).

Render unto God that which is God's (The temple tax, which was 10% of your income) We still owe this tax.

 

[Studious One]

Well, as long as you are not "hampering your future," God will likely see no need to hamper you with the blessings He promised those who obey him.

"Some petty rule." Really? You're calling a law of God a petty rule?

I guess God's Word means more to some folks than others.

Where did God promise us blessings if we would obey Him and tithe? I find no such promise in the Word of God.

There is no command or instruction for the Christian to tithe in the Bible.

 

[Studious One]

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars (talking about the taxes, which is what the question was about).

Render unto God that which is God's (The temple tax, which was 10% of your income) We still owe this tax.

Render unto God that which is God's is not speaking of a monetary tithe. At the time Jesus said "Render unto God that which is God's" the Mosaic Law was still in effect. The tithe that would have gone to the Temple at that time was less than 10% of the children of Israel's total produce and livestock... not 10%.

The Temple Tax was not 10% of one's income. It was a half shekel that was required of all males over the age of twenty, whether they were rich or poor.

The tithe was not monetary, it was of crops and livestock.

You cannot produce one Scripture that says we are to tithe 10% of our money to the Church.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

COOL.

So if you don't plant food or raise animals, GOD'S BLESSINGS ARE FREE!!

Are you saying you believe God's blessing come at a price.....that one must buy them by following some legalistic requirement?

Stupid farmers. If only they would get a job, they wouldn't have to give God anything.

Give what to God? There was a point the Lord grew weary of their sacrifices and offerings because He wanted their obedience above all else.

Giving is indeed important. The problem is in the priorities taught from many pulpits. Handing over to religious church organizations, in most cases, is a robbery of God because so many are placing support of a dead building before the needs of fellow believers.

(Sarcasm totally intended)

Well, it's sad you feel sarcasm is the road to healthy discussion.

I pity you.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars (talking about the taxes, which is what the question was about).

Render unto God that which is God's (The temple tax, which was 10% of your income) We still owe this tax.

Book, chapter and verse please....coupled with an explanation as to why you think your references back your case.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Render unto God that which is God's is not speaking of a monetary tithe. At the time Jesus said "Render unto God that which is God's" the Mosaic Law was still in effect. The tithe that would have gone to the Temple at that time was less than 10% of the children of Israel's total produce and livestock... not 10%.

The Temple Tax was not 10% of one's income. It was a half shekel that was required of all males over the age of twenty, whether they were rich or poor.

The tithe was not monetary, it was of crops and livestock.

You cannot produce one Scripture that says we are to tithe 10% of our money to the Church.

Unfortunately, there are people out there who seem to see "pastor" on almost every other page of the NT, so I'm not surprised there are some who think they see "tithe" throughout the NT as well.

BTW

 

[stormdancer0]

Where did God promise us blessings if we would obey Him and tithe? I find no such promise in the Word of God.

There is no command or instruction for the Christian to tithe in the Bible.

Malachi of course. We all realize that. This is the only time in scripture that God TELLS us to test him.

But the parable of the widow's mite tells us to give sacrificially. If we can't even give 10%, how will we give sacrificially?

 

[stormdancer0]

Are you saying you believe God's blessing come at a price.....that one must buy them by following some legalistic requirement?



Give what to God? There was a point the Lord grew weary of their sacrifices and offerings because He wanted their obedience above all else.

Giving is indeed important. The problem is in the priorities taught from many pulpits. Handing over to religious church organizations, in most cases, is a robbery of God because so many are placing support of a dead building before the needs of fellow believers.



Well, it's sad you feel sarcasm is the road to healthy discussion.

I pity you.

BTW

Don't pity me. I love my sarcasm.

In real life, it comes across as humor. It's hard to do on a computer.

No time or energy to fight, er, discuss this today. Perhaps tonight. I don't have my Bible on me right now. Have a great day.

 

[Studious One]

Malachi of course. We all realize that. This is the only time in scripture that God TELLS us to test him.

But the parable of the widow's mite tells us to give sacrificially. If we can't even give 10%, how will we give sacrificially?

Malachi was not written to us... it was written to the children of Israel.

It even says so in the very first verse.

The children of Israel were required to tithe because of the Mosaic Law.

In Acts 15, we are clearly told that the Holy Ghost did not want the Gentile Believers to be required to keep the Mosaic Law... which would include tithing.

Peter said to attempt to make Gentiles obey the Law is to tempt God.

Why tempt ye God?

 

[sunshine456]

LOVE

This is the answer, simply put it is a gift from our spirit out of charity; for the welfare of mankind. Why.......

Again-

Matthew 6:19-24

New King James Version (NKJV)

Lay Up Treasures in Heaven

19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
The Lamp of the Body

22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
You Cannot Serve God and Riches

24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

"Life is about love, if we are to love one another then how can we adhere to it when we are serving ourselves?"

Matthew 6:30-34

New King James Version (NKJV)

30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

The answers are there and GOD the heavenly father provides and provided everything for us. Remember....

Galatians 6

New King James Version (NKJV)

Bear and Share the Burdens

6 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For each one shall bear his own load.
Be Generous and Do Good

6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. 9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Glory Only in the Cross

11 See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand! 12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.


Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Girder of Loins]

Well, as long as you are not "hampering your future," God will likely see no need to hamper you with the blessings He promised those who obey him.

"Some petty rule." Really? You're calling a law of God a petty rule?

I guess God's Word means more to some folks than others.

The only law that I am under is to do everything to the glory of God. I am being a good steward of what God has given me.