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Why Should I forgive him?

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NoName12 said:
It is nice to know that I am not the only one out there. You may find this hard to belive but I didnt tell you guys the worst things he did, I not sure if I was alowed to say it here, but what I dont get is the following.

God wants my father in heaven. I dont. I know the next part is going make me really sound bad but I want to see my father go to hell. I want justice for what he did to me and my famliy, the idean of seeing him get in to heven after all thing he did would really not be good for my relltionship with god. That to me would overwealming proof that there is no justice in the world.

I do think I get the fogiving him for my self and not for him, but I can tell you we will never get along ever. I dont think I can even be in the same room with that man. I actully kinda of see him as my worst enemy. I hat it that it truned out this way but there other things that he did I am not sure I can say, but they are things I just that I cant just simply forget......

.....but I wish it was that simple.

Ah, forgive me - I missed this when I wrote my previous post. What I can say about this is that God has promised that vengeance is His, and He will repay. If your father goes to heaven, it will be by Christ's mercy only. You bring up a tough question, but in reality none of us deserve to go to heaven because we are all sinners. It is not the magnitude of sin that determines our destination, it is the choice we make about accepting Christ as our Savior. Again, I can understand your feelings. I felt the same way. Somehow that feeling has drained out of me. It is hard when we have been so wronged, and so hurt, and our lives have been ruined at the hand of another, to understand how God could open His home for that person. I don't know that there is any explanation for it except that Christ paid a price for all sinners who come to Him. If your father does accept Christ as His Savior, his life will change and he will seek to make right the wrongs he did. Nothing can change past history, I know, and nothing will change the affect your fathers actions had on you. But if his heart changes, so will he.
 
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sorry he did that to you. luckily, these words of Christ are for you!

Luke 14:25-27
(25) And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
(26) If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
(27) And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.



So you're half-way there man!


See, we honor our father's position, not necessarily the man or his deeds. As the one who "assisted", however selfishly, in bringing us into this world, he has been given a certain authority by God.


these words are also for you:

Matthew 18:15-18
(15) Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
(16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
(17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
(18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


did you rebuke him? did he repent? well the above verses describe the conditions of our new covanent in Christ. you can rest assured in them.

also consider:

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.




so be cool, but remember:

Matthew 6:14-15
(14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
(15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


we have a mountain of sin against God. let us therefore forgive those who have sinned against us and strive to bring them the gospel so that they too may be saved and regenerated in the Holy Spirit.

Peace to you.

cc: PM
 
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I believe as you pray for God to show you how to forgive your father, He will show you how to love your father. To not want him in Heaven is serious, you're showing God you think you are more deserving of His grace, and you're not-nobody is. We should all go to hell, no matter what we've done or not done. You need to take God out of the box, and let Him restore you to the place you need to be. Do not limit Him, allow Him to work in your heart, and show you how to love as He does, that is your purpose, to be like Yeshua, formed in His image. He forgave and loved those that put Him on the cross, we are not to be any different.
 
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NoName12 said:
It is nice to know that I am not the only one out there. You may find this hard to belive but I didnt tell you guys the worst things he did, I not sure if I was alowed to say it here, but what I dont get is the following.

God wants my father in heaven. I dont. I know the next part is going make me really sound bad but I want to see my father go to hell. I want justice for what he did to me and my famliy, the idean of seeing him get in to heven after all thing he did would really not be good for my relltionship with god. That to me would overwealming proof that there is no justice in the world.

I do think I get the fogiving him for my self and not for him, but I can tell you we will never get along ever. I dont think I can even be in the same room with that man. I actully kinda of see him as my worst enemy. I hat it that it truned out this way but there other things that he did I am not sure I can say, but they are things I just that I cant just simply forget......

.....but I wish it was that simple.

We're glad for your honesty about how you feel in this, and it's perfectly natural to feel that way about your dad. Justice is something that is hard to take when we see scenarios where people seem to get away with things while the hurt are left to bleed and suffer more.

But the way of justice would condemn us all. The law of the Old testament was a plumb line, a standard to show how we all fall short of God's standard. Our own sin means we deserve the justice of all going to hell. But God wanted to save us and meet justice as well. Through Jesus he met the price of justice, death for our sakes and in his love he were freed to live a life of the uncondemned.

My attacker remains in her church today. I was effectively kicked out, and most of the leadership pastoral team that were around at the time did little to help and all left for overseas for other posts. Was there justice done there? No, but it doesn't bother me because God has healed me of the sting of unforgiveness; what was taken has been restored supernaturally to my life. By choosing not to let another person have a hold on my life God gave the strength to let go and freed me from the power of that other person on my life, power that we don't need to control and enslave us.

It can take time or it can happen quickly, it really depends on your willingness to let go, and God's timing and your readiness. When you are ready, please do so, it will be the best thing in the world to have the release of your life from this affliction. It is not about your father but about your healing. Do you want to be healed? Do you trust that God will take care of the issue of justice? Do you want to be able to take part in what Jesus did on the cross for you?

Blessings to you, it's a fight but think about how you will be blessed and freed by choosing to forgive.
 
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I saw dad do a lot of similar things, and I am faithful christian now, but I don't trust him at all. I forgive him, that doesn't mean he is a trustworthy person though, God is best Father of all. God doesn't make us give trust and even to fellowship with evil people, New testament warns against evil so much, but we are to forgive those evils, just like He forgave while they nailed Him to the cross, forgiving doesn't mean they are good people. Jesus says we forgive others, let God judge them and punish them in due time, and He will forgive our sins. He can give this power, asking Him.
 
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As his kid, you understand all the nuances, the good and bad things about your dad.

But it seems to always take years of distancing before one can actually help their dad pull himself out of trouble...maybe also humility as he ages and sees his own weakness, and your strength as an adult.

Don't feel guilty about adding space in between. You're getting old.
 
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So tell me why should I love him

It's Not about you loving him, its about you forgiving him, AND ITS NOT FOR HIM it's for you....Once you have forgiven him then ( you ) are free from the hate. But that does not mean you have to have him in your life. You just have to let it go, so you can live. Hate is a terrible thing to carry with you all your life, God wants you to forgiven so you can live in freedom, let God take care of your father, he can do a better job of it then you. Blessing to you...
 
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NoName12 said:
The Ten commandments say I must love and honer my father. I Hate my father, I Hate that man more then any thing on this planit. I saw him watching porn when I was little. He cheated on my mother, he divore us becuse he wanted to live a singal life and a year latter he marraied some women that he told me him self that he did not love. He will only show up once year or two and its not becuse he loves his kids but becuse it make him look like hes a "good" father to his co workers. He is one of the most perverted men out there, he would buy porn in fornt of my little brother and he lies and lies and lies.

I did not know ware els to place this but the bible said not only am I supost to forgive that sick monster but I have to love him to. I dont think so. I would try to forgive him but sooner or latter he would do somthing bad again that I would really hate. So tell me why should I love him? He Clealy had no love for me or any one els. Why should I forgive someone who clarly dose not regret what he has done and will never stop doing bad things? I here Thou must love thy mother and father and yet there is no commandments that say thou must love thy son and dauhgter. I do not want to see my father get in to heaven, I want to see god make him pay for the long list of evil things he did to my famliy.

I'm so very sorry about your situation....my heart goes out to you. If we are truly saved....then we should love everyone. In your specific circumstance, all I can say is this: Love the man's soul.....hate his sin. That's the way I feel about my daughter's molestor....that's the only way I can even begin to deal with that situation. You will be in my prayers, my friend. :prayer:
 
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Awesome answer. Forgiveness isn't about the person who hurt us, it's about us and our relationship with God. How can we receive His forgiveness if we're not willing to give forgiveness?



rapturefish said:
The answer is: it's not about him.

Forgiveness in your heart is about your healing and your release from the pain and trap of unforgiveness. People who have not forgiven others for what they have done live in hurt and pain, they cannot do some things without the sensitive scar of their past hurt lashing out in pain. If a person has been hurt by a father, then every time they hear of the mention of a father or a loving father they feel anger and hurt because of what happened before.

Because Jesus died for our offences against God, our sins were forgiven. Whatever we had done to God in our lives they no longer count against us. God's forgiveness of us had a cost in Jesus' life.

Because Jesus has paid the price and we are forgiven people, he empowers us to forgive others. Because Jesus forgave us, his power can enable us to forgive others, if we are willing. Ability comes through Jesus' work on the cross; willingness comes by our choice.

When we are hurt, we can come to God and say, "God, this person has harmed me and done these awful things, and it makes me angry and bitter and hurt. But I choose not to hold onto these things; I choose to let them go. I'm willing to forgive them God, give me the strength to forgive them. I choose not to hold anything against them but to let it go, and even bless them."

Forgiveness is not about what the other person has done, or how bad the thing was. Forgiveness does not depend on whether that guy deserves it, does not depend on whether he is repentant, does not depend on whether he will do it again or not. It does not mean you have to confront your offender and say sorry to him. It is not about his actions but about whether you're willing to let go of the poison that he has inflicted on you. He has done something to you, and as long as you hold onto that offence it will eat at your soul, poison you and eventually change you into something awful. God doesn't want to see you become twisted by anger, bitterness, unforgiveness and pain; forgiving someone in your heart is not God's punishment to the afflicted but a way out of their affliction and the only way to find release from it.

To try and make amends with that person is called reconciliation and is different from forgiveness. It cannot always happen because it involves both parties agreeing to restore peace. Reconciliation is not always possible but always preferable; God tells us that "in so far as it is possible" we are to reconcile with others. In that we are to do our part, and leave the rest up to the other party to respond. But forgiveness is always possible under the cross. It can always happen because Jesus made it possible.

The supernatural nature of forgiveness is simply amazing. I was hurt by a sister in a former church and pursued by her through abusive phone calls, psychological manipulation and political maneuvering to force me to leave that church. Imagine how that hurt me - because of that hurt every time I was reminded of church, of the bible, prayer or God I felt hurt and couldn't have anything to do with it. To me it was the worst torture because when I am in trouble those are the places I'd normally go.

I was angry and felt cheated and that the injustice was against me because I was out of that church while she continued to go there.

I eventually reached the place where I had to come before God and say that I was willing to forgive her. I was so shot emotionally that I told God I was willing but I just couldn't because I didn't have the strength. I said to God that I chose not to hold anything against her, chose to bless her. I felt really shot after tha prayer, tired spiritually.

Amazingly, the next day I went to work and it dawned on me that for the first time in months I was smiling, and that the burden and weight of unforgiveness was lifted. I was able not only to read my bible and pray but it felt as fresh as when I first became a christian. The bible I could read like my favourite comic book, and prayer was something I could do for hours. My whole demeanor changed and I knew that this could only come through God's supernatural power. You just don't find healing like that overnight.

It has not been the only time I've had to forgive for something that happened to me in the church; I've had to survive a church split later on. That time the forgiveness took more time, was lingering and the key to that was being convinced by scripture that forgiveness, once one has chosen to do it, it is done, and that any time the echoes of that past come back I need to respond with the word as Jesus did in the desert. Satan loves to convince us otherwise, but once the forgiveness has been made the sting of that goes.

Your father may never repent, never even acknowledge what he has done, never stop doing what he has done. But it's not about him. By not forgiving him in your heart you are allowing him to have a hold on your life, have power over your very way of living. And it should not be. Jesus forgave you for your lifetime of sin against God; he can empower you to forgive your father if you are willing and say so to God, asking for that power to do so.

And I promise you, if you are able to release that to God, you will be healed and you will have grown a great deal in your understanding of what it meant for Jesus to forgive you.
 
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Hey NoName12,

I'm really sorry about your dad and what he did to your family. I can see why you hate him. I guess, to be totally honest with you, I would too. You asked, "Why should I forgive him"? You're right, he doesn't deserve you to forgive him. But then again, we don't deserve Christ to forgive us for what we have done against him - which is much worse than what your father did to you and your family.

You see, as Christians, we are called to follow Christ's example and be like Him in everything that we do. This includes forgiving as Christ forgives. It pleases God when we say, "I forgive you [dad] for what you did to me and my family", in your instance for example. Paul tells us in Colossians 3:13 that we are to freely forgive others as God has forgiven us. Jesus in Matthew 6:14 tells us that we must forgive others.

When we truly understand just how much we needed forgiveness from Christ and just how much we have hurt Him, then we will realise that because He has forgiven the debt of the massive amount of sins and hurts that we have committed against Him, so too must we forgive the few sins and hurts that have been committed against us. Relative to what you (and all of us) have done to God, what your father has done to you and your family is tiny. Learn to feel compassion and pity for your father. I must admit, that knowing what to do is one thing, but actually doing it is a totally different thing! Doing so is not easy - that is because we are going against the flesh that wants to continue hating him. That is why we must pray to God asking that the Holy Spirit will lead our thoughts and feelings and help us forgive those who have hurt us, even if they are not sorry about it. Also, a porn addiction can destroy one's life. I'm still battling and am winning a battle against porn. It's a tough addiction that drags you down constantly to deeper and darker levels of immorality and wickedness.

Jesus tells us to pray for and love our enemies, in this case your father. To "love your enemies" has always been a teaching that is hard to accept. We usually consider our "enemies" to be those persons who have done something wrong to us or to someone else. To "love your enemies" does not mean that we should accept their wrong behavior. We must always be ready "to do good to those who hate [or who have hurt] you" (Luke 6:27). We must always be ready to have compassion on anyone who suffers, even our enemies or those whom we hate (dislike). We must not respond with hatred toward those who hate (or are indifferent toward) us.

Like others have said, inwardly or even outwardly hating your father will only eventually end up hurting yourself.

I here Thou must love thy mother and father and yet there is no commandments that say thou must love thy son and dauhgter. I do not want to see my father get in to heaven, I want to see god make him pay for the long list of evil things he did to my famliy.

While it is not a "command" from the Ten Commandments, Paul does tell parents should nuture their children in Ephesians 6:4.

But what if your father changed through his faith in Christ and he realised just how much he hurt you and your family and asked for forgiveness, and he wanted to be apart of your life again? Wouldn't that be amazing to witness? For what is impossible with man is possible with God (Luke 18:27) - you may not be able to see how your father can change, but God can do anything! This is why you must pray for your father, pray that He will be convicted of his evil position by the Holy Spirit, that your father will one day meet and accept Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour and that he will change for the better.

May God Bless you, friend. :)
 
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NoName12 said:
It is nice to know that I am not the only one out there. You may find this hard to belive but I didnt tell you guys the worst things he did, I not sure if I was alowed to say it here, but what I dont get is the following.

God wants my father in heaven. I dont. I know the next part is going make me really sound bad but I want to see my father go to hell. I want justice for what he did to me and my famliy, the idean of seeing him get in to heven after all thing he did would really not be good for my relltionship with god. That to me would overwealming proof that there is no justice in the world.

I do think I get the fogiving him for my self and not for him, but I can tell you we will never get along ever. I dont think I can even be in the same room with that man. I actully kinda of see him as my worst enemy. I hat it that it truned out this way but there other things that he did I am not sure I can say, but they are things I just that I cant just simply forget......

.....but I wish it was that simple.
Hi again, Catholics believe some will have to go to purgatory before being able to be in the presence of God. Take it one day at a time and try not to be consumed with your thoughts on the negatives and the justice you want now. God is a God of Justice and Mercy, your called to wish all well even if that means you have to keep your distance so you can progress with the Lord and not be consume by others. This will free you and when the negatives thoughts come just keep giving them to the Lord. Work on your relationship with the Lord, Catholics believe many will go through purging fire before they can see God face to face. God bless. Here's an article on purgatory, if you have any questions of a catholic nature feel free to ask over on the Catholic forum. http://fisheaters.com/purgatory.html
 
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Firstly, I am truly sorry that you have suffered so much emotional pain from your father's actions.

The only solution to your situation is to recognize that your pain will never go away until you deal with it. By dealing with it I mean that you must realize that nothing you can do will change the facts of what has happened. Then you have to deal with how to eliminate the pain.

As a start, recognize that the bible does not say you have to love your father. It says to honor your father and mother.

Exodus 20:12
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.(NIV

Exodus 20:12
"Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life in the land the LORD your God will give you. (NLT)


Forgiving your father is not for him, IT IS FOR YOU. I suggest you pray to God, ask His wisdom, His help in dealing with this.

Then, TURN IT OVER TO GOD AND LET HIM HANDLE IT.

By that I mean you say something like, "God, I can no longer deal with this pain, hurt and anger against my father for his treatment of me and my family. I am placing the whole situation in Your hands. I am trusting in You to deal with the situation. Please remove the hurt, pain and anger from me and grant me Your peace that surpasses all understanding. Thank You.

I find that this approach has always worked for me and family members.

Trust in God, Christ. They will never let you down.

Fred
 
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