why should he need to save us?

[Calminian]

Thank you all. I am probably more puzzled then before. It seems that no two answers are the same and everybody has their own explanation. I will find the part in Romans once I get my hands on a Bible in more friendly language then English. Thank you.

Sometimes illustrations can help. Paul used two metaphors that I find helpful. Marriage (Romans 7) and Slavery (Romans 6). In Old Testament law, marriage was binding on a woman until her husband died. But if her husband dies she is free to remarry. Slavery was often binding as well, if there was a debt involved. They also are bound until the debt is paid.

We were slaves to sin, but Christ paid our debt that we might be free from our old master. We were married to sin, but Christ became sin and nailed it to the cross.

2Cor. 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

You may wonder why the necessity for God to go throught this, after all He is God! Can't He just snap His fingers and make it all go away. But this understand of God would be very unbiblical. He's perfectly just. This is how He determined to handle it.

I hope that's helpful.

 

[Silent Enigma]

You know, this is a little off the subject, but when I was an atheist, it always bothered me that I didn't have an explanation for why humans were so damn evil. I mean, look at history and such. People tormenting and hurting others for fun. Ugh. And I never felt that just our instincts given to us by way of evolution was a sufficient explanation.

Now, as a Christian, I dpn't really have an explanation as to why God would create a being that he knew would turn evil and mess up his creation, not to mention cause the damnation of the souls of many.

But I do feel that I'm a step further in the right direction, philosophically.

 

[Key]

Thank you all. I am probably more puzzled then before. It seems that no two answers are the same and everybody has their own explanation. I will find the part in Romans once I get my hands on a Bible in more friendly language then English. Thank you.

In truth everyone offred the same answer, we just went about explaining it diffrently.

Which is fun really

God Bless

Key

 

[Eireblood]

o.k. i am an atheist, but at the same time my cultural background and family, country, customs and moral believes are based on christianity. so you can maybe say i am a christian atheist.

as such i believe it is my responsibility to be educated about my history and background.

i do believe, that i do have extensive knowledge of bible and general christianity, yet with all that there is a major question that nobody so far was able to explain to me so that it makes any sence.

I would like to understand why christians believe that Jesus had to die to save them. I do not feel that anybody should be responsible for primary sin of Adam and Eve but Adam and Eve themselves. Why somebody needed to die for 'us'?

I would say that you were agnostic rather than an atheist Christian. It is all about SIN. When God first made man there was no death or illness. When Adam plucked the apple, sin was introduced into this dimension of ours. Sin is in fact, division.
Adam's sin was division from God followed by Cain and Able...brother from brother.
The next great division was at the tower of Bable when mankind ceased to speak in one worldly tongue.
Jesus came to show us the way to return to our Heavenly Father. Christ came to make a new covenant with God from the previous ways. Instead of the lamb being slaughtered, he sacrificed himself for us to be able to overcome sin and enter Heaven.