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A deeper communion with Christ.
There is no way I'm able to share with you the value/profit I receive from communion with Christ. I'm not in it for rewards of any kind. It's Love! What ever received I leave up to my Beloved God in what ever way He see's fit. I have that much Faith in Him.would the boss of the company you work for pay you for any hour spent with deeper communion with what doesn't bring revenue/profit to that company?!, so is God, if there is not true overall salvation as a result of what you do spiritually, He won't reward you?! - i don't mean the true communion with the true Christ (Who is the biblical Jesus)
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Equanimity is more useful, as it results in the cessation of dukkha.i didn't talk about hypocritical love, but i talked about pure and perfect love for neighbor's salvation, how can any state different from the pure and perfect love for neighbor's salvation be higher or highest?!, what is more useful for the human and other (be)souled beings and souls, overall/all-embracing salvation or sublime non-saviors called e.g. buddhists?!
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Love always has an object (something to be loved). That is attachment.What I think your missing is that the path of Love can lead to those highest states. It's kind of a gateway. Have you ever read Rumi?
I sometimes wonder if you might be over attached to "non-attachment".
If there is attachment to Love, it's not Love! What it means is that your expecting something in return which is something other than Love.
Nope, that's not true...Love does not always have an object. Have you heard the term "Be Love"? That's a true state of being. It comes from the heart.Love always has an object (something to be loved). That is attachment.
About Love...more than any other creature we Human Beings are made such that we respond to Love the most. It's one of the things that makes us Human Beings. The others that go into helping us to be more Human are Compassion and Service to those in need. I'm wondering what good higher states are if these most basic lessons on being more Human are not learned before hand? That's a question.I agree that love is indeed a higher state, compared to the ordinary human state. However, it is not the highest state in early Buddhism.
No, I haven't heard of that term. What are you loving, when you're "being love"?Nope, that's not true...Love does not always have an object. Have you heard the term "Be Love"? That's a true state of being. It comes from the heart.
I don't perceive how love can be the one great motivator. Rather, I see dukkha as the greatest motivator, the one common factor behind all action.About Love...more than any other creature we Human Beings are made such that we respond to Love the most. It's one of the things that makes us Human Beings. The others that go into helping us to be more Human are Compassion and Service to those in need. I'm wondering what good higher states are if these most basic lessons on being more Human are not learned before hand? That's a question.
There is no way I'm able to share with you the value/profit I receive from communion with Christ. I'm not in it for rewards of any kind. It's Love! What ever received I leave up to my Beloved God in what ever way He see's fit. I have that much Faith in Him.
Here's a Rumi quote: Wherever you are, what ever you do, be in love.No, I haven't heard of that term. What are you loving, when you're "being love"?
It's looking to me that you have a love affair with dukkha. It's Love for dukkha as the underlining motivating factor. dukkha is the goal. At least that's what's appearing to me. With out that love for dukkha, there would be no dukkha in ones life.I don't perceive how love can be the one great motivator. Rather, I see dukkha as the greatest motivator, the one common factor behind all action.
we should start to differenciate between religion and people...people who commits terror has nothing to do with god..they are doing their own belief...yet god ALLAH is a kind god he calls us to act mercifully to act with humility and compassion this is god..he is far away from terrorism and harshnessIt depends upon what one does with their faith in God. In the worse cases, the world has witnessed the worst atrocities and horror committed towards human beings by Believers. In the same breath, others become even more human as Human Beings because of their belief in God. Yet, belief in God is not needed for that, as we see in people. The bottom line for me, God Created variety in His Creation. Which means there is also room for non-believers. Which also means that you or I as Lovers of God have absolutely nothing over non-believers.
being different is a thing and different interpretation is another thing..the Quran is true and didn't change since it was revealed yet the difference in interpretation cannot be a proof of being wrong or corruptedSounds good, but how does that change the many many ways it has been interpreted? The understandings of any book can be interpreted differently so it's not really about the sameness of the words.
the Quran didn't change since it was revealedHow do you know it hasn't changed? Were you there when it was first written down?
the only uncorrupted divine book is the holy Quran but we still believe in the bible and the torah as wellThere is only only ONE sacred book directly written by the hand of God and signed off with His signature written with His own hand...and that is the Holy Book of Nature.
I disagree. It brings us to a higher plane of wisdom, and we can act more appropriately and wisely from that higher plane, versus acting from a lower plane of wisdom.such an equanimity is a delusion, because at the very least it makes worshipers too calm and cold-blooded/nonchalant about what is happening to their neighbors/cohabitants
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... but, in love with what?Here's a Rumi quote: Wherever you are, what ever you do, be in love.
Not so. What I'm actually claiming (and I've stated before in this thread), is that dukkha motivates all action. This is the First Noble Truth. I do not love the idea that dukkha motivates all action ... I simply perceive it as a fact of existence:It's looking to me that you have a love affair with dukkha. It's Love for dukkha as the underlining motivating factor. dukkha is the goal. At least that's what's appearing to me. With out that love for dukkha, there would be no dukkha in ones life.
I have directly experienced the first jhana. In the first jhana, there is a great cessation of dukkha, and a wonderful experience of sukkha surpassing any normal human pleasure. In that state - with a great mass of dukkha stilled - my consciousness can perceive reality with much greater focus and power than in an ordinary, everyday state of mind. Observation of reality through the clarity of jhana enables us to gain the panna (wisdom) to achieve higher states of being.What higher states have you experienced? Which higher states are you desiring?
I think part of the disconnect is your equating Love to emotions. It can be, but that's necessary so. I'd turn your examples around and say that we love entertainment, so we seek it. We love to sleep, so we seek it. You love the motivation you find in dukkha, thus you seek seeing it in how you approach life. Because you talk about nothing else, the love of dukkha must be great in you.We also love because the feelings and emotions of love are pleasurable, and dispels some measure of dukkha. We fall out of love when our loving attachment to our object of love produces more dukkha than sukkha.
I cannot see how "love" can be substituted for "dukkha" - e.g. "we sleep because we love", "we seek entertainment because we love"? Does not make sense to me.
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