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What did you do to meet him in your heart?I have met him through my heart....he is my well beloved god
all prophets were kind and merciful as how god is ,...you can seek ALLAH through them
For myself, seeing God within others first had to happen before I was able to open my heart to God within my own heart. Being around the laughter of infants was particularity effective towards that end. Now, He is everywhere I turn.why not this is some of the ways you can reach ALLAH or god the important is to seek him and to reach him...firstly with your heart
It seems to me that you are interpreting various characteristics and attributing it to the existence of "God". Why interpret the "laughter of infants" as "seeing God"? Why not see it simply as an expression of joy in the infants?For myself, seeing God within others first had to happen before I was able to open my heart to God within my own heart. Being around the laughter of infants was particularity effective towards that end. Now, He is everywhere I turn.
It seems to me that you are interpreting various characteristics and attributing it to the existence of "God". Why interpret the "laughter of infants" as "seeing God"? Why not see it simply as an expression of joy in the infants?
It's the light behind the laugh where I see the Divine expression and not in the laugh itself. Basically, what I'm doing is looking through the physical illusion and into the source within. And with the innocence of infants, that light is much easier to see. But I think we are back to looking at the nature of the Human Soul.It seems to me that you are interpreting various characteristics and attributing it to the existence of "God". Why interpret the "laughter of infants" as "seeing God"? Why not see it simply as an expression of joy in the infants?
Yes, I hear examples of that often:Not answering for the poster you're addressing but the concept is one I'm running into. I think Christians fundamentally want to remain humble to their god so they are compelled to acknowledge god in everything.
I agree. Given the examples above, I see every rational reason to directly attribute love or peace to ourselves, without the need to re-interpret them as the product of an unproven source.BTW I agree with you.. I find that being a humanist allows me to appreciate the diversity and nuance of human experience in a much more humble way than I have before.. It puts me in touch with reality and my senses and empathy has been developed.
I can understand that. They are still speculating in my eyes, however.But I think I understand that for Christians their way to remain humble is to always acknowledge something higher than themselves.
Yet, would you not agree that this is still a speculative interpretation?It's the light behind the laugh where I see the Divine expression and not in the laugh itself. Basically, what I'm doing is looking through the physical illusion and into the source within. And with the innocence of infants, that light is much easier to see. But I think we are back to looking at the nature of the Human Soul.
Why do you say that?
Hope.
What's "the true One's" real name, and how do you know it?
Not really ... when I enter into higher states of jhana, I directly experience a magnification of my consciousness, a decrease in volition/action/motion, along with higher states of bliss.maybe you know that only a man like that who is in a deep state of sleep without dreams can have no motion(impulse/inclination) (although there is a motion even in such a man, albeit in the form of a flow of sleep), consciousness is inextricably linked with motion...
If I'm a puppet, then why don't I see the puppet-master?it seems as if you are talking about puppet creating hope?!?!
How does one "practice the faith right"?you ask questions, but don't seek answers; everyone started from scratch sometime, and no one was physically born fully capable of everything, a man that does not practice the faith right cannot understand the spiritual things from the perspective of the perfect truth
When experienced alone, I could agree with you. But when experienced within the animating life force that is manifested within and infuses all of Creation, the picture changes dramatically.Yet, would you not agree that this is still a speculative interpretation?
For myself, I'm unable to separate the individual spirit from the spirit of life itSelf. It's all whole, united and One, at least through the lens in which I view life.I might be persuaded to understand that a laugh can be considered in many respects a "divine expression" ... of the individual's own spirit.
Those are your words and your images that you are attached to. I have never used them myself, nor would I ever do so.I cannot see how that consideration can be extended to conjecture the presence of an allegedly separate, allegedly Almighty intelligence, e.g. "God".
What do you experience with a magnified consciousness?Not really ... when I enter into higher states of jhana, I directly experience a magnification of my consciousness,.......
Does it help you in reducing your dukkha?When experienced alone, I could agree with you. But when experienced within the animating life force that is manifested within and infuses all of Creation, the picture changes dramatically. For myself, I'm unable to separate the individual spirit from the spirit of life itSelf. It's all whole, united and One, at least through the lens in which I view life.
My apologies if I misunderstood.Those are your words and your images that you are attached to. I have never used them myself, nor would I ever do so.
The best I can say is that - depending on jhana - there is a expansive, suffusing energy of consciousness, or a stillness of consciousness free from the binding fire of thought. They are accompanied by rapturous feelings of bliss, far beyond any pleasure obtained on the normal human realm. It also feels like an awakening to a more real level of reality ... like waking up from a dream, the dream being the normal human reality. Or, awakening to see with eyes, after being blind.What do you experience with a magnified consciousness?
Thanks for sharing parts of your chosen text. How do you know for yourself that these claims are true?Your gods made by human hands are not gods at all.
Leviticus 19:31
“‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 4:29
But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.
1 Chronicles 28:9
“And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.
Psalm 4:2
How long will you people turn my glory into shame? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?
Psalm 14:2
The Lord looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.
Deuteronomy 4:28
There you will worship man-made gods of wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or eat or smell.
1 Chronicles 16:26
For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.
Reducing dukkha isn't the focus of my spiritual path. That's not an attachment I'm carrying. Though it seems to be happen along the way, it is what it is. I'm off in other directions.Does it help you in reducing your dukkha?
No problem. Google Panentheism. But don't confuse it with panthesim. Maybe that might help in understanding.My apologies if I misunderstood.
I've used different names for my Beloved God, that's true. But always as respect for the person I'm communicating with. And never as a descriptor. The name I use changes depending upon the spiritual community I'm in at the time.It seemed to me that you described "God" with the personal name Allah, describe it as a "He", a Divine source, a force infusing all of creation, and that you seek it.
Our God is a living being. Stick and stone images are not living beings. Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.///The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."Thanks for sharing parts of your chosen text. How do you know for yourself that these claims are true?
I understand that is your scripture's claim, but I've never met him myself.Our God is a living being. Stick and stone images are not living beings. Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.///The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."
i'd love to share your experience can you narrate for me how did you find ALLAH?Thank you for sharing what works for you. My point was you are not in a position to evaluate my spiritual journey knowing only that we did not arrive at the same conclusion. I was hoping you'd reflect on that point.. instead you have just re-iterated what works for you.. Okay.. happy for you..
Doesn't change my experience or the results..
What did you do to meet him in your heart?
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