WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

[HIM]

Just a short note about this passage, it is not about the Second Coming of Christ.

This prediction was in reference to the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. It has already happened and is not something we are waiting on.

You are wrong it is about the temple being destroyed and up to the second coming.

 

[Doug Brents]

You are wrong it is about the temple being destroyed and up to the second coming.

There will be no running away at the second coming.
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.” - 2 Per 3:10
It won’t matter that it happens on the Sabbath, or in the winter, or any other hardship. The whole of the Earth will be destroyed; there will be no escaping it, and no time to flee.

Yes, parts of that chapter are about the second coming, but that portion can only be about the Roman sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.

 

[HIM]

There will be no running away at the second coming.
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But there is during the tribulation prior to it. Please follow along.

Matt 24:20 Jesus warns for us to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day in respect to the persecution we will face at His second advent. How do we know that it is a warning to pray this during that tribulation? By His use of words like FOR, AND, THEN, and wherefore. All of which connect verse 20 to verses 30 and 31 which speak of our Lord coming in all His glory to gather the Elect.

Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Doug Brents]

Bad post. Will reply later

 

[HIM]

We are in the tribulation now. The 1000 years will occur in Heaven

Which has nothing to do with in Matt 24:20 Jesus warning for us to pray that our flight not be in the winter nor on the Sabbath Day in respect to the persecution we will face at His second advent. How do we know that it is a warning to pray this during that tribulation? By His use of words like FOR, AND, THEN, and wherefore. All of which connect verse 20 to verses 30 and 31 which speak of our Lord coming in all His glory to gather the Elect.

Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Doug, some comments are provided for your consideration below.

I will agree that the Church is Israel. However, the old covenant, and ALL of the mandates (ritual, moral, ceremonial, etc.) ALL of them are wiped out by the New Covenant. As Heb 8:13 says clearly, the Old Covenant is obsolete, and has passed away. All of the mandates of it (of which the Sabbath was one) has been done away.

There is no scripture in the new covenant that says God's moral laws are wiped away. In fact the new covenant scriptures teach the opposite of what your claiming here. For example Paul and John show us in the new covenant scriptures that the purpose of Gods' 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) which leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172; Galatians 3:22-25 while James shows us in James 2:10-11 that if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Sin therefore is defined in the new covenant scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (unbelief) *Romans 14:23. Hebrews 10:26-31 also shows us that if we choose to depart the faith once God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word we are in danger of the judgement to come. It is your interpretation of what you think the old covenant is here that is in error. I am happy to discuss this in detail if your interested proving why from the scriptures. Are you interested?

As for it being restated in the NT, the counsel in Jerusalem took up the issue of what was required of Gentile converts in terms keeping the Old Covenant. Their conclusion, guided by the Holy Spirit, was: don't eat meat sacrificed to idols, blood, and avoid sexual impurity (Acts 15).

This is repetition that is not true. Of course all of Gods' 10 commandments are reinstated in the new testament you have been specifically shown scripture proving this (see post # 91 linked). Your response here is to ignore this post and the scriptures provided that disagree with you and to repeat your earlier claims. Are you really trying to argue that according to Acts of the Apostles 15, it is now fine with God to go out and lie, steal commit adultery, commit murder etc? I ask you this question because these commandments were also not mentioned in Acts of the Apostles 15? According to the scripture context your disregarding here and shown earlier, Acts of the Apostles 15 was never over the question is Gods' 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living it was over the question "Is "circumcision" from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation" (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2) and it was this question that Acts of the Apostles 15 was seeking to answer not are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. An interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthian gentile believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. So your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 puts Paul in contradiction with Paul. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is circumcision a requirement for salvation for gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2). The full scripture response you have chosen to ignore is provided in post # 95 linked showing why your interpretation of these scriptures is not biblical.

Now, this is not to say that we should not take a rest dedicated to God, but it is not commanded. You are welcome to believe that it is still commanded, and if you do then for you it is. But for me, it is not because there is no clear command to keep it. There is clear command to keep Sex within the marriage relationship. There is clear command to not murder. There is clear command to honor God, not lie, not envy, etc. But not to keep the Sabbath. So I choose to honor God every day (Rom 14:5-6) “One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.”

Repetition already answered with a detailed scripture response showing that Romans 14 has nothing to do with Gods' 4th commandment Sabbath as shown in post # 96 linked. Your simply repeating yourself here without addressing anything in the posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with your teachings. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That is between you and God and was never in contention. According to the scriptures there is nothing hidden that shall not be made plain come judgement day. According to Jesus it is the words of God we accept or reject that will be our judge at this time *John 12:47-48.

Take Care.

 

[Ligurian]

Is it an unrepentant, and thereby damning, sin to not believe in or follow the 7th Day Sabbath? Has someone that used to observe a 7th Day Sabbath but does not any longer lost their salvation?
Yes
No

Deuteronomy 5:8-10 explains the no-idols rule. (see Revelation 2)
Deuteronomy 12-15 tells Israel why to keep the Sabbath.

(1) 6 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 7 Thou shalt have no other gods before My face.
(2) 8-10 Thou shalt not make to thyself an image, nor likeness of any thing, whatever things are in the heaven above, and whatever are in the earth beneath, and whatever are in the waters under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down to them, nor shalt thou serve them; for I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation to them that hate Me, and doing mercifully to thousands of them that love Me, and that keep My Commandments.
(3) 11 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, for the Lord thy God will certainly not acquit him that takes His name in vain.
(4) 12-15 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God commanded thee. Six days thou shalt work, and thou shalt do all thy works; but on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do in it no work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, thy man-servant, and thy maid-servant, thine ox, and thine ass, and all thy cattle, and the stranger that sojourns in the midst of thee; that thy man-servant may rest, and thy maid, and thine ox, as well as thou. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord thy God brought thee out thence with a mighty hand, and a high arm: therefore the Lord appointed thee to keep the sabbath day and to sanctify it.
(5) 16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God commanded thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest live long upon the land, which the Lord thy God gives thee.
(6) 17 Thou shalt not commit murder.
(7) 18 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(8) 19 Thou shalt not steal.
(9) 20 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(10) 21 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, nor his field, nor his man-servant, nor his maid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any beast of his, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.LXX

Matthew 19:18-19 Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and mother, and Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

The Sabbath is the Sign of the Covenant between God and Israel. Just like
the Circumcision is the Sign of the Covenant between God and Abraham.

Deuteronomy 5:1-4 And Moses called all Israel, and said to them, Hear, Israel, the ordinances and judgments, all that I speak in your ears this day, and ye shall learn them, and observe to do them. 2 The Lord your God made a Covenant with you in Choreb. 3 The Lord did not make this Covenant with your fathers, but with you: ye are all here alive this day. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face in the mountain out of the midst of the fire.

Genesis 17:1 And Abram was ninety-nine years old, and the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, I am thy God, be well-pleasing before Me and be blameless, 2 and I will establish My Covenant between Me and thee, and I will multiply thee exceedingly. 3 And Abram fell upon his face, and God spoke to him, saying, 4 And I, behold! My Covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of a multitude of nations. 5 And thy name shall no more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraam, for I have made thee a father of many nations. 6 And I will increase thee very exceedingly, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish My Covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an Everlasting Covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep My Covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the Covenant which thou shalt fully keep between Me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be for a sign of a Covenant between me and you. 12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My Covenant shall be on your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My Covenant.LXX

 

[Ligurian]

An interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthian gentile believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. So your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 puts Paul in contradiction with Paul. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is circumcision a requirement for salvation for gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2).

That's actually Luke's Acts contradicting Paul's letters: Paul didn't write Acts.

Genesis 17:12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My Covenant shall be on your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My Covenant.LXX

This is the Covenant of Promise: it requires circumcision for Israel.
And for proselytes and slaves... in Israel's promised-land, only?

 

[Ligurian]

Agreed ! Great post and scriptures Ligurian. Thanks for sharing them with us. Who then are the chosen? They are simply all those who believe and follow what Gods Word says.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11-12 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens, and eat swine’s flesh in the porches, and the abominations, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.LXX
Leviticus 11:10 And all things which have not fins or scales in the water, or in the seas, and in the brooks, of all which the waters produce, and of every soul living in the water, are an abomination; and they shall be abominations to you.LXX
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Zechariah 10:15-17 And the Lord said to me, Take yet to thee shepherd's implements belonging to an unskillful shepherd. For, behold, I will raise up a shepherd against the land: he shall not visit that which is perishing, and he shall not seek that which is scattered, and he shall not heal that which is bruised, nor guide that which is whole: but he shall devour the flesh of the choice ones, and shall dislocate the joints of their necks. Alas for the vain shepherds that have forsaken the sheep! the sword shall be upon the arms of such a one, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be completely withered, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.LXX
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Doug Brents]

There is no scripture in the new covenant that says God's moral laws are wiped away.

Actually, there is no distinction in Scripture between the moral Law and the ceremonial Law (or any other law) that was part of the Old Covenant. Remember, the Law of Moses was a part of the Old Covenant, not the other way around. And it was the Old Covenant that was done away with in favor of the New Covenant.

Now you are free to continue to adhere to the precepts of the Old Covenant, but if you keep one part, then you must keep all of it; it is an all or nothing deal. There is no value to keeping any part of the Old Covenant (including the Law of Moses) if you do not keep EVERY part of it for your entire life. (When was the last time you had Passover in Jerusalem and the Levitical priests supervised your sacrifices? Since you have to say never since the records of who is a Levite and the Temple itself were destroyed in 70AD, you cannot have kept the Law perfectly, so you’re out of luck.)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Actually, there is no distinction in Scripture between the moral Law and the ceremonial Law (or any other law) that was part of the Old Covenant. Remember, the Law of Moses was a part of the Old Covenant, not the other way around. And it was the Old Covenant that was done away with in favor of the New Covenant.

According to the new covenant scriptures the purpose of Gods' 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. Of course there is a difference between Gods 10 commandments and the Mosiac laws for remission of sins (ceremonial laws). God's 10 commandments were spoken and written by God alone with His own finger and were the work of God alone written on two tables of stone *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:15-16 while the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 was spoken and written by Moses and was the work of Moses alone under God's guidance *Deuteronomy 31:24-26. Your have it backwards, the law of Moses from the book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 is a part of the Law of God according to the scriptures. It seems you do not know what the old covenant is. Can you tell me what the old covenant was and what the new covenant promise given by God to His people is? I asked you this question earlier. Did you want to answer it? Of course you do not have to if you do not want to. Just say so as I am happy to answer it for you if you do not know.

Now you are free to continue to adhere to the precepts of the Old Covenant, but if you keep one part, then you must keep all of it; it is an all or nothing deal. There is no value to keeping any part of the Old Covenant (including the Law of Moses) if you do not keep EVERY part of it for your entire life. (When was the last time you had Passover in Jerusalem and the Levitical priests supervised your sacrifices? Since you have to say never since the records of who is a Levite and the Temple itself were destroyed in 70AD, you cannot have kept the Law perfectly, so you’re out of luck.)

As posted earlier your mixing up God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 that leads us to Christ *Galatians 3:22-25 with the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sins fulfilled in Christ (see Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22). Everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment is restated under the new covenant as the standard and knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (scriptures support here and scripture support here linked) and according to James if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. According to the scriptures we do not want to be with those who depart the faith in order to practice known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-31. Gods' Word does not teach the false teachings of lawlessness (without law) and according to John those who practice known unrepentant sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing Gods' Word *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 14:23 and those who do not practice unrepentant sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *see 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's actually Luke's Acts contradicting Paul's letters: Paul didn't write Acts.

Genesis 17:12 And the child of eight days old shall be circumcised by you, every male throughout your generations, and the servant born in the house and he that is bought with money, of every son of a stranger, who is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with money shall be surely circumcised, and My Covenant shall be on your flesh for an Everlasting Covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male, who shall not be circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, that soul shall be utterly destroyed from its family, for he has broken My Covenant.LXX

This is the Covenant of Promise: it requires circumcision for Israel.
And for proselytes and slaves... in Israel's promised-land, only?

Hi Ligurian, I do not think I said that Paul wrote Acts. I do not see any contradiction in the book of Acts to Paul's letters if I am being honest with you.

Take Care.

 

[Ligurian]

Hi Ligurian, I do not think I said that Paul wrote Acts. I do not see any contradiction in the book of Acts to Paul's letters if I am being honest with you.

Maybe I need to read what that person said, instead of what you responded.

 

[Ligurian]

I will agree that the Church is Israel. However, the old covenant, and ALL of the mandates (ritual, moral, ceremonial, etc.) ALL of them are wiped out by the New Covenant. As Heb 8:13 says clearly, the Old Covenant is obsolete, and has passed away. All of the mandates of it (of which the Sabbath was one) has been done away.

Matthew 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Since Jesus was baptized at 30 years of age ...the age of a priest... Jesus is both Priest and Lord of the Sabbath.
That letter to the Hebrews cannot have disanulled what Jesus said while preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to the found-sheep of the House of Israel.
Because of this: John 12:49-50
and this: Matthew 24:35 Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
and this: Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be generated.

As for it being restated in the NT, the counsel in Jerusalem took up the issue of what was required of Gentile converts in terms keeping the Old Covenant. Their conclusion, guided by the Holy Spirit, was: don't eat meat sacrificed to idols, blood, and avoid sexual impurity (Acts 15).

1 Corinthians 8:4-11 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. 8:7 Howbeit [there is] not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat [it] as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

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And your paraphrase needs work.
Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

eidolothuton = an image-sacrifice, i.e. part of an idolatrous offering:--(meat, thing that is) offered (in sacrifice, sacrificed) to (unto) idols.
porneia = harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication.

Kinda can see why all this would be warned against if you've read Jesus' Revelation. Spiritual adultery is what allowed Jezebel a foothold in the church. She will be cast onto a bed of harlotry and her children to the Great Tribulation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Maybe I need to read what that person said, instead of what you responded.

No problem dear friend all good.

God bless

 

[returntosender]

No problem dear friend all good.

God bless

I like how dedicated you are to the word and to others salvation. You're wracking up rewards in heaven.

 

[bcbsr]

WHY OUR SALVATION CAN BE LOST

Greetings with much love to all my fellow Christians in the Lord Jesus. I thought I would post this as I wanted to show the multitude of scripture that proves that our salvation is conditional on believing and following what Gods' Word says and that our salvation can be lost if we choose to depart the faith (the truth of Word of God) and no longer believe and follow what Gods' Word says and return to a life of known unrepentant sin. I posted some of the scriptures in another thread but they are lost somewhere in that thread which is grown quite large now. So I am posting those scriptures and more not previously posted if anyone may want to see what the bible says about losing salvation.

QUESTIONS (answers need to be supported by scripture)

Q1. CAN WE LOSE SALVATION IF WE DEPART THE FAITH BY REJECTING GOD'S WORD AND RETURNING TO A LIFE OF KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN?

Q2. IS OUR SALVATION CONDITIONAL ON BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS?

Q3. CAN WE DEPART THE FAITH FROM BEING A BELIEVER TO BECOMING AN UNBELIEVER?

Q4. WHERE ARE THE SCRIPTURES THE TEACH IF WE CHOOSE REJECT GOD'S WORD WHEN HE GIVES US A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH AND TO DEPART THE FAITH AND RETURN TO A LIFE ON UNBELIEF AND SIN THAT SAY WE WILL STILL RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Q5. IS THE DOCTRINE OF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED BIBLICAL?

I hope this can be a friendly discussion please based on the scriptures in regards to the questions posted above and I pray that the scriptures provided here might be helpful for our edification to anyone wanting to understand what the bible teaches in regards to the questions above in regards to our salvation.

May God bless us all as we seek Him through His Word.

Yes, "Once Saved, Always Saved".

As for the questions your pose, many can be answered by the basic principle that the saved endure to the end.

John writes, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1John 2:19

Thus John would evaluate those who fall away as not having been saved in the first place.

Furthermore John writes, "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

Thus those who point out verses which correlate salvation with behavior fail to take into account that principle. The nature of regeneration is such that those born of God do not continue in sin.

And that pretty much covers all the anti-Eternal security objections.

 

[Doug Brents]

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be generated.

I find it amazing how many people quote that verse and ignore the last phrase. Christ was the fulfillment of ALL of the old Covenant. In Him all of the requirements of the Old Covenant were completed. This fulfills the last phrase of Matt 5:18.
“For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or onetittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

 

[Doug Brents]

Yes, "Once Saved, Always Saved".

As for the questions your pose, many can be answered by the basic principle that the saved endure to the end.

John writes, "They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." 1John 2:19

Thus John would evaluate those who fall away as not having been saved in the first place.

Furthermore John writes, "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:9

Thus those who point out verses which correlate salvation with behavior fail to take into account that principle. The nature of regeneration is such that those born of God do not continue in sin.

And that pretty much covers all the anti-Eternal security objections.

This position forces you to ignore Heb 6:4-6.
“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
Who is a partaken in the Holy Spirit? Only those who have been saved! And the same applies to all of the other bolder criteria in the verses above.
Further, you cannot restore to repentance someone who was not already in repentance at some point.

This passage alone shows that a person can fall away.

 

[Doug Brents]

Of course there is a difference between Gods 10 commandments and the Mosiac laws for remission of sins (ceremonial laws). God's 10 commandments were spoken and written by God alone with His own finger and were the work of God alone written on two tables of stone *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:15-16

Indeed, God wrote the tablets the first time, but Moses shattered them when he saw the calf the Israelites had Aaron make them (Exo 32:19). And then a Moses re-carved the tablets when he again went up on the mountain (Exo 34:28).

But all of this is meaningless to the conversation. All of the laws (moral and ceremonial) came from God (not Moses), and God said that the Old Covenant, with all the requirements, was removed when it was fulfilled by Him on the cross (“It is finished!”)

Can you tell me what the old covenant was and what the new covenant promise given by God to His people is?

The Old Covenant is the covenant made with Abraham, and renewed with Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and codified in the Law handed down on Mt Sinai. It was ratified repeatedly with the blood of bulls and goats, and was a shadow of what was to come, because it was temporary in nature.
The New Covenant is the covenant in Jesus’ blood; shed one time for all (past and present), and eternal in nature. This covenant began with Jesus’ death.

Everyone of God's 10 commandments including God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath commandment is restated under the new covenant as the standard and knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (scriptures support here and scripture support here linked)

Take Care.

Sorry, I’ve read and reread those passages, and not one of them makes keeping the Sabbath mandatory in the New Covenant. As I said before, most of those are examples of the Apostles going to the places where the Jews were already gathered at a time when they were to discuss God (the synagogue on the Sabbath). After Paul makes it clear to the Jews that he will no longer preach to them, but will go exclusively to the Gentiles (Acts 18), the only mention of the Sabbath is in Col 2:16) where Paul makes it clear that the keeping of the Sabbath is NOT required. We are no longer bound to eat only “clean” foods (all meat is now edible (pork, squid, catfish, etc.)), nor are we bound to observe the Sabbath, nor any of the “High Holy Days” of the Abrahamic covenant or the Law.