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Your response here...As posted earlier, according to the scriptures, being born again is a part of God's new covenant promise for those who believe and follow Gods Word who have been given a new heart to love and walk in newness of life *(see John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 3:36; Romans 8:1-4 and Galatians 5:16; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; Acts of the Apostles 3:19).
What do you think the post above yours is saying?So we don't have to take the steps to be born again that churches say. I accepted an alter call to be born again. Makes no sense if we all already are born again.
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Jesus says "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." - John 3:3-7That I had no reason to take those steps to be born again as it has been done.
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Perhaps you can pray about it? The scriptures shared with you are Gods' Words not mine or some church's. What is it you did not understand? Do you know why we need to be born again and what God's new covenant promise is that we are born into through faith?Still makes no sense. All the churches I have gone to present steps for being born again so they are all wrong.
Why would God keep "the law doctrine - of the devil per your claim" in the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple which is also reveled in Heaven? Revelation 11:19 God wrote His holy law with His own finger and spoke with His own voice, you certainly have a grave misunderstanding of God's holy law that He tells us to keep, if you think that came from satan.
Love is not separate to God's law. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law which is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 when he says that we show our love to our fellow man by keeping those laws in Gods' commandments that show us our duty of love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17). James also agrees with Jesus and Paul in James 2:8-12 when he says if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While John also agrees in 1 John 5:2-3 that we need to be born of God to love and walk in His Spirit which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says. Those are the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10.
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No one is redeemed from the law by breaking the law. All the law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 7:7 which is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4 and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (Romans 14:23).
Hebrews 7 is talking about the law of the Priesthood and God's laws for remission of sins under the old covenant. Not God's 10 commandments.
Once again, no one is telling you that you need to be justified by the law so why keep saying things no one is talking about? According to the scriptures repentance is to be sorry for and turn away from sin (see Acts of the Apostles 2:38 and Acts of the Apostles 3:19). It is sin that must be repented of. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23). "Departing the faith" means we return to unbelief and sin (Hebrews 10:26-31). Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking Gods' law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23). Departing the faith means that we no longer believe Gods' Word and the scripture is fulfilled whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). Hebrews 6:6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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There is nothing in any scripture you have provided here that says "Departing the faith, is when men choose law" According to the scriptures, "departing the faith" is when men seek sin, disobedience and unbelief in preference to faith and believing and following what Gods' Word says (John 3:36; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4).
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According to the scriptures, the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is SIN (not law). God's children are obedient to Gods' law through faith. The children of the devil are not obedient to Gods law but disobedient to Gods' law by breaking Gods' law practicing sin which is the transgression of Gods' law *1 John 3:4 and not believing and following what God's Word says *Romans 14:23. Jesus says unless you are born again you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven in John 3:3-7. Those who are born again according to John do not practice sin (breaking God's law) they are obedient to it.
No one therefore is a child of God by breaking God's law. According to the scriptures shown above these are all the children of the devil.
God's Word does not teach us to be disobedient to Gods' Word. That is what we are warned against and is called "sin and unbelief".
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Exactly, we are best not to make strawman arguments because no one is redeemed from the law by breaking Gods law. That is the description of the children of the devil according to 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4. God's children do not practice sin according to 1 John 3:6-9; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.
As posted earlier, according to the scriptures, being born again is a part of God's new covenant promise for those who believe and follow Gods Word who have been given a new heart to love and walk in newness of life *(see John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 3:36; Romans 8:1-4 and Galatians 5:16; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; Acts of the Apostles 3:19).
Then we have Gods' Word that says... James 2:8-12 [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.keeping a law is not the law of liberty, the law of freedom which Christ has made us fee from the law of sin and death.
No one said you can be justified by the law and if no one has said we are justified by the law why are you pretending this is what has been said to you and if this has not been said to you what is your argument? You have none because you are making arguments that do not exist because we are in agreement.We could and cannot be justified by law, justification only comes by believing in Christ being just and the justifier of those who do not believe in law...
No one said we are redeemed by faith trying to keep the law. So if no one has said to you that we are redeemed by faith by trying to keep the law why are you pretending this is what has been said to you and if this has not been said to you what is your argument? You have none because your making arguments that do not exist because we are in agreement.No one is redeemed by faith, by trying to keep law.
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Hebrews 10 is not talking about God's 10 commandments it is talking about the Levitical laws for remission of sins not God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7). Your disregarding scripture context and subject matter.The law made nothing perfect is told in different places, hear again..
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Your response here.,LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Once again, no one is telling you that you need to be justified by the law so why keep saying things no one is talking about? According to the scriptures repentance is to be sorry for and turn away from sin (see Acts of the Apostles 2:38 and Acts of the Apostles 3:19). It is sin that must be repented of. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23). "Departing the faith" means we return to unbelief and sin (Hebrews 10:26-31). Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking Gods' law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 14:23). Departing the faith means that we no longer believe Gods' Word and the scripture is fulfilled whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). Hebrews 6:6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Take Care
Are you reading what your quoting from? I am finding it hard to follow you.Sin is being in that law of sin and death we are freed from, as being in it is not being in faith.
To not be in sin is to believe in Christ, who sets us free from what Israel was in..
John 8:1 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
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