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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?

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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?


Matthew 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Luke:23:
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

John19: 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

Mark 15:27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left.
 

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A possibility is discussed here:
Why is the account of the two robbers crucified with Jesus different in Luke than they are in Matthew and Mark?

Luke may simply have been aware of it, while the other writers were not. As Jesus and the robbers talking in Luke were dying men, they were probably not speaking very loudly. Physiologically, it has been noted that death on the cross is usually by asphyxiation, because the unnatural position makes it hard to breathe and therefore difficult to speak. So only those closest to them heard the discourse while others from afar could see that three men were crucified.

Also, stepping back and considering the big picture. Often God does not reveal to us the final destiny of other people. In our walk with God I do not believe it is spiritually healthy to pay too much attention to who is saved/not saved or what their status in Heaven will be.

Focus on our own humble walk with God, doing justice and selflessly showing mercy to others (Micah 6:8). Therefore we only catch a glimpse of the fate of the robber.

John 21:21-22
21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”
22 Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”
 
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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?



Matthew 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Luke:23:
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

John19: 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

Mark 15:27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left.
My suggestion is that Luke was not an eyewitness, he interview others to get his information and we know that he interviewed Mary Mother of Jesus, I believe that the information he reported came from her, she was an eyewitness also different writers think that different things are important to mention so it is not reasonable for all of them to mention the same things or see things in the same light.
 
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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?



Matthew 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Luke:23:
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

John19: 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

Mark 15:27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left.

We must accept that they are different, for the text does not allow us a compromise.

Matthew 27:44: And the robbers who were crucified with him also reviled him in the same way.
Luke 23:39-40: One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him...

Matthew states that they both reviled Jesus in the same way those who stood at the cross, but Luke says that one of them rebuked the other and repented.
 
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Maybe this scripture will help.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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My suggestion is that Luke was not an eyewitness, he interview others to get his information and we know that he interviewed Mary Mother of Jesus, I believe that the information he reported came from her, she was an eyewitness also different writers think that different things are important to mention so it is not reasonable for all of them to mention the same things or see things in the same light.

Well, Luke did explicitly say that he interviewed eyewitnesses for his information, and we know he was not an eyewitness himself.

We can tell by how much information Luke provides about Mary and the women in Christ's ministry that he probably mostly interviewed women (possibly because more women were still alive). It's interesting, for instance, that Luke provides Mary's point of view of the events of Jesus' birth...things only Mary would have witnessed.

Matthew and Mark were not witnesses to the crucifixion, and we don't know how they got their information. John was a witness, but he doesn't mention the thieves at all, and gives very few details.

Inasmuch as Jesus was actually interacting with the thieves, I would surmise that Mary, above all, would have carried all the last words of her dying son in her heart.

I'm guessing Mary was not the only woman who was a direct witness to the crucifixion (Luke also mentions the women who observed Christ's walk with the cross to Golgotha). I think at least one other Mary was there. But John might have been the only man of the disciples who was an eye witness.
 
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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?


My perspective on the Word is that all scripture is given by inspiration of God (2Ti 3:16), by revelation of/from Jesus Christ (Gal 1:12), and men of God spake moved by the holy spirit (2Pe 1:21) In other words, not by the will of man.

The Word of God in its original form was perfect and without errors. Any supposed errors have come from our understanding, translation, transmission, or deliberate forgeries.

Unfortunately, religion has defrauded us through harmony of the gospels setting the table for our misunderstanding. This is just one of several events mostly surrounding Christ’s crucifixion that we have been fed through religion that are inaccurate.

Following are the applicable scripture of this account from each gospel. I am starting with Luke ….then Matthew, Mark, and John. The scriptures that I did not post are linked in effort to condense this post …..as they did not add relevant information to the event. My comments are in Red ….The rest…. is what God had written …

As you will see from Luke there were two malefactors (dyo kakourgos) crucified with Jesus and later... after an unknown amount of time, two thieves (robbers) (dyo lēstēs) were brought to be put to death.

The KJV has thieves which is a horrible translation (many other versions got it right). The Greeks use an entirely different word for a thief which is kleptes…. and it means, one who acts stealthily. The word lēstēs = robber, is used throughout this account of the crucifixion. A robber is one who openly plans his dirty work using violence if necessary.

A Malefactor - Greek = kakourgos is an evildoer.

Two – Greek = (dyo)

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Luke


23:32 And there were also two other, malefactors (dyo kakourgos), led WITH him to be put to death.

23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

These two malefactors were led with Him and crucified at the same time that Jesus was crucified.


23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

23:35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

23:36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,

23:37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.




Matthew

27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

27:36 And sitting down they watched him there;

27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

27:38 THEN” were there two robbers (dyo lēstēs) crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

Then = Time (verse 38) were two robbers crucified with Him. This is after Jesus and the two malefactors had been crucified, after sitting down and watching him, after they accusation was placed over his head …..THEN were the two robbers crucified with Him.

27:39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,



(Mat 27:40, Mat 27:41, Mat 27:42)



27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

27:44 The robbers also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
Both of these robbers cast the same in his teeth.



Markbasically states the same thing as Matthew

15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.

15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

15:27 And with him they crucify two robbers; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

↓ (Mar 15:28, Mar 15:29, Mar 15:30)



15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.



JOHN

19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

19:18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, “on either side” [one], and Jesus in the midst.

The phrase “on either side” (in verse 18) is the Greek word enteuthen kai enteuthen…..It means - on this side, and on that side

NOTE: The wordONE” in verse 18 is omitted in every critical Greek text. it was added by translators. Any Greek-English interlinear will show there is no corresponding Greek word for the word “one”. (a deliberate forgery is a word or words purposely added to change a narrative, to bolster a belief) In this case "someone" (translators) added the word one to fit the belief dispensed by gospel harmony of only two being crucified.

The Greek version of John 19:18 reads - Where Him they crucified, and with Him others, two on this side and on that side, in between now Jesus.


19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

( Jhn 19:20……through……… Jhn 19:30)




19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

John 19:32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

The solders came to the robber first, then to the other, which would be the malefactor…then they came to Jesus.

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Why God had the gospels written the way they are….and why four crucified …..God only knows. Possibly the perspective of the different aspects of Jesus Christ ministry. Something the prophets of old foretold this in regard to the BRANCH in the OT, which fit with the 4 gospels as such…. Matthew - as King, Mark - as Servant, Luke – as Man and John – as Son of God

I don’t know….just a guess

What I do know is…. there always a significance to the things of God. But the one thing we don’t do is weave together sections of gospels into a single narrative, using our human reasoning to see how they harmonize….that is an attempt to bring God down to our level.

We read through scripture, we see what each gospel adds to the account, we see how it fits ….. We don’t make the similar identical and we don’t dismiss scripture because it doesn’t fit our narrative or assumed belief. Because every day for Christians….. it is the integrity of the Word of God that we are responsible for.


Someone once told me that this is controversial ….because it goes against what he was taught ….Well, I didn’t author the Book…….. At the end of the day, it’s up to you what you accept. You can hold on to your beliefs or believe what is written.
 
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Someone once told me that this is controversial ….because it goes against what he was taught ….Well, I didn’t author the Book…….. At the end of the day, it’s up to you what you accept. You can hold on to your beliefs or believe what is written.
OOOOOH! AMEN!:amen: :clap: You know you make me want to shout!
 
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arguing from silence can lead you all over the place. The point is he did record is and if you consider the death bed conversions based on this account of millions of people from that time on it is obvious why Luke recorded it. Why the others did not we can only speculate. Focus on what is written and not what is missing.
 
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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?
To paint the most accurate picture of any given topic, you have to take ALL the scriptures into consideration; then put them together into one coherent statement.

My favorite example is what was written on the Cross, over Jesus' head.

Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Mark 15:26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.


Put them all together and it reads: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
 
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Why only Luke mentioned one of the robbers was saved?
Is it unimportant to other Gospel's authors?



Matthew 27:44 Even the robbers who were crucified with Him reviled Him with the same thing.

Luke:23:
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[a]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

John19: 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

Mark 15:27 They crucified two rebels with him, one on his right and one on his left.

The four gospels that we find in the New Testament, are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The first three of these are usually referred to as the "synoptic gospels," because they look at things in a similar way, or they are similar in the way that they tell the story.

They should be studied together and "combined" to give the fullest account.

Different authors .... but all testifying to the same ... presenting similar narratives of the life and death of Jesus Christ.

According to what is written we understand one of the robbers repented and received the Lord and no account of the other one doing that.

When it comes right down to it ... we really don't know who is and isn't saved .... that is entirely up to the Lord. Only He knows the heart and the secret things.
 
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The four gospels that we find in the New Testament, are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The first three of these are usually referred to as the "synoptic gospels," because they look at things in a similar way, or they are similar in the way that they tell the story.
I think it was Josh McDowell who pointed out that:

1. Where Matthew and Mark agree, Luke is short on information.
2. Where Matthew and Luke agree, Mark is short on information.
3. Where Mark and Luke agree, Matthew is short on information.
 
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