Why, Oh Why...

[LN]

Scot is 100% right. Everything he listed is what I strive to do. AWESOME advice.

If you want recipies based on what's above I have some good standard meals that I eat.

What is your diet like now? A lot of the "diet" foods - the ones that come in a box and are chemically processed can weight down your system even if the are "low cal"

 

[ej]

I believe that God gave us food which is perfect for our bodies.

With a sensible diet, there is absolutely no need for supplements / herbs

 

[Spicy McHaggis]

I believe that God gave us food which is perfect for our bodies.

With a sensible diet, there is absolutely no need for supplements / herbs

I usually refer back to what my Biology teacher taught me. Supplements are a way of getting what you should be getting from your food.

To me, they supplemental, not essential. I use a whey protein powder when I'm lifting to make sure I get enough protein and amino acids, but other than that I just take a vitamin.

Most of my fiber comes from cereal, since I'll mix a 1/4 cup of all bran extra fiber in with me granola or raisin bran. Then low and behold, I'm 6 pounds lighter the next day. Stupid meat stuck in my colon...

Fiber = nature's broom

 

[Scot]

God did give us everything that we need in our food...ORIGINALLY.

There's no way of getting around supplementing today if you want to get everything that your body needs to function the best it can.

Our soil has been so depleted that you'd need to eat 30 green peppers to get the amount of vitamin C that you would've gotten from one pepper 50 years ago.

The farming techniques that are used today are not meant to produce the best crop possible. We're depleting the soil and not putting anything back into it.

It is true however, that the better you can make your diet, the less supplementation you'll need. I always tell my clients that supplements aren't meant to be a "magic pill." You can't eat junk all the time and expect to be healthy just because you supplement.

They're both important.

 

[ej]

Our soil has been so depleted that you'd need to eat 30 green peppers to get the amount of vitamin C that you would've gotten from one pepper 50 years ago.

Really? I'd be interested to read this.

It is true however, that the better you can make your diet, the less supplementation you'll need. I always tell my clients that supplements aren't meant to be a "magic pill." You can't eat junk all the time and expect to be healthy just because you supplement.

They're both important

I disagree. Supplements are only necessary for people with severe malnutrition. The rest of us can glean MORE than we need in the way of vitamins and minerals from a simple, healthy diet.

This is also a LOT cheaper than wasting hard-earned money on unnecessary supplements sold to you by a guy who has more concern for his pocket than for your health.

 

[Scot]

I hope you also take the same position with Doctors that only care about the kickbacks they get from pushing prescription drugs. There's dishonesty in all walks of life.

Scot, NC

 

[ej]

Members of the Medical Profession are closely controlled by governing bodies (unlike non-medical peole who sell alternative therapies).

If you suspect a doctor is 'getting a kickback from pushing prescription drugs,' then you need to report them as this is bad practice.

 

[Spicy McHaggis]

God did give us everything that we need in our food...ORIGINALLY.

There's no way of getting around supplementing today if you want to get everything that your body needs to function the best it can.

Our soil has been so depleted that you'd need to eat 30 green peppers to get the amount of vitamin C that you would've gotten from one pepper 50 years ago.

I'd just eat an orange. And I realize that your comment about the green peppers isn't meant to be taken to an extreme like that, you're making a point about the quality of food products these days, not a comment on how to get vitamin C.

When I'm lifting weights, I need a supplement because there's no way I can even afford the amount of food I'd have to buy to meet my protein needs. The whey powder is a shortcut to getting the protein, but I could very easily eat two cans of tuna and get 100+ grams, but then I need amino acids, and it's just easier to get it all from the powder.

But still, if we HAD to take supplements, they'd be called essentials.

 

[LN]

I am always skeptical of a company pushing their product while being publicly traded on wall street (i.e. pharmecudical companies).

Sometimes drugs are needed, sometimes they are perscribed because there is no holistic review of what is going on in someone's body. A lot of medical problems can be linked to diet.

LN

 

[LN]

I had a couple people PM me about recipies. I look to get monounsaturated fats, carbs and protien at every meal. Here are some things that I keep around the house for meals:

Breakfast:

- Slow cooking oatmeal swirled with natural peanut butter and all natural chicken sausages
- egg whites and low fat cheddar cheese, cooked and then rolled up in a warmed wheat tortilla with salsa on the side
- egg whites and low fat cheddar cheese in between a whole wheat english muffin
- cottage cheese, canned pineapple, and a few macademia nuts

lunch

- usually a salad with some sort of protien on top. If I don't have any left over from the night before its canned tuna (although you have to be careful of mercury with canned tuna). Any veggies in my fridge go on the salad. I make an olive oil and balsamic vinegar dressing that I use and have a whole wheat pita or some fruit on the side

dinner

- dinner is usually some sort of protien (right now I'm defrosting marinated halibut) with veggies on the side and brown rice. Last night we had turkey tacos with all-natural blue corn taco shells.

I get a lot of recipies from the zone website since that is pretty much how i eat

www.zoneperfect.com

I also stock up on zone bars and have half of one between lunch and dinner or before I work out.

As far as weight, I've been 5'2 and 110 lbs as far as I can remember. I'm sure that men would have to modify this diet so that they consume more calories.

LN

 

[ej]

I am always skeptical of a company pushing their product while being publicly traded on wall street (i.e. pharmecudical companies).

Yeah? I'm skeptical of internet popups which offer 'holistic' therapies at extortionate prices.

Sometimes drugs are needed, sometimes they are perscribed because there is no holistic review of what is going on in someone's body.

If you thnk this is happening, change doctors. It is bad medical practice.

A lot of medical problems can be linked to diet.

None of which can be cured / resolved by alternative therapies.

Lets see... diabetes, heart disease, osteoarthritis, endocrine imbalance, etc etc... all associated with obesity, and require lifelong diet and lifestyle change, NOT expensive alternative therapies.

Upper GI / head and neck cancers associated with substance ingestion... nope, they're not cured by alterntive therapies either.

 

[LN]

EJ you're arguing with yourself here buddy. I said that a lot of medical problems can be linked to diet, never said anything about holisitic therapies and you start arguing with me about alternative therapies - what's the deal?

My mother has a Doctorate of Pharmacy and worked for 25 years as a pharmacist and as a resercher a pharmacedical companies. She has since furthured her education with naturalpath courses. Trust me, I have case studies of how she has helped people change their lives through diet changes alone. Things like insomnia, hypoglycemia, fibromialgia, and making chemotherapy easier on the body.

LN

 

[ej]

I said that a lot of medical problems can be linked to diet, never said anything about holisitic therapies and you start arguing with me about alternative therapies - what's the deal?

The deal? I agree with all 3 of your points, and added my thoughts
There has been no arguing from this side.

My mother has a Doctorate of Pharmacy and worked for 25 years as a pharmacist and as a resercher a pharmacedical companies. She has since furthured her education with naturalpath courses.

Good for her

Trust me, I have case studies of how she has helped people change their lives through diet changes alone. Things like insomnia, hypoglycemia, fibromialgia, and making chemotherapy easier on the body.

Case studies, great

 

[LN]

well.. cool then!

 

[Spicy McHaggis]

(to all)

FINE!!!

Just wanted to get in on the pseudo arguement

 

[LN]

Well... FINE TO YOU TOO!

 

[ej]

/me whistles 'the great escape'

 

[catalyst]

Numerous conditions can be treated through dietary manipulation, including grand mal eplipsy, NIDDM, etc.

Would you like studies? I have lots and lots.

 

[Scot]

ej,

Who "governs" these governing bodies that you refer to? I'm not denying that they exist, I just wonder if you know who runs them.

My mother is a drug rep. I know how the whole thing works.

I used to work with a kid who's dad was an M.D. He used to brag about all the stuff his dad would get from the drug reps/companies. He was all happy because they gave him season tickets to the Pirate games.

I to am always suspicious of things in the alternative health field. There's dishonest people everywhere trying to get a buck. Most of the time though, there is a big difference between alternative health practitioners and people who are just pushing supplements as a "cure all."

 

[Diakonos]

Hi everybody. Since this is what I do for a living, maybe I could be of some help. There are many factors that could be involved when it comes to weight gain (food allergies, leaky gut, parasites, improper food combining, etc).

For beginners, this is one of the handout sheets that I give to my clients that are interested in weight loss. Remember, there could be many factors but this is a good place to start.

Avoid white flour, white rice, processed foods, junk food, sugar, sweets, soft drinks, artificial sweeteners, processed meats, table salt.

Consume more fresh (organic if possible) fruits, vegetables, legumes, whole grains, brown rice, cold-water fish (such as salmon), soy, nuts and seeds (in small amounts), filtered water, fresh fruit and vegetable juices.

Use only extra virgin olive oil for cooking and stay away from hydrogenated or partly-hydrogenated oils in any form (e.g. margarine); use fatty foods such as avocados, olives, and nuts and seeds in moderation.

Limit your intake of alcohol and caffeine.

Never skip breakfast.

Eat small meals throughout the day.

Make lunch, not dinner, your main meal of the day.

Chew your food at least 30 times before swallowing.

Get regular exercise, such as running, swimming or walking. Increase your flexibility through Yoga or stretching exercises. Do strength training at least a couple times a week.

Do not go grocery shopping when hungry and do not keep unhealthy food in the house.

Don’t give into your cravings immediately. Cravings are like waves, they tend to peak and then subside. If you can keep busy for a little while the craving will usually pass on its own.

The easiest thing to remember for those of you who don't want a complicated program to follow is DON'T EAT ANYTHING WHITE!

Supplements that may help with weight loss:
Chromium Picolinate
Ginko
Fiber – keeps colon clean – will help diminish appetite if taken before meals
Omega 3 (flaxseed oil caps)
CoQ10 (energy production)
Ginseng
Vitamin C (speeds up metabolism)
Lecithin (breaks down fat)
Calcium (activates Lipase)
B vitamin complex (burns calories, lessens sugar cravings)
L-Carnitine (breaks down fat deposits)

I hope you find this useful.

Scot, NC

Scot, that sounds like great advice, and I have some questions.

1. Why should lunch be the major meal of the day?

2. About not eating anything white. What about milk? Is there a healthier alternative to getting vitamin D or is milk ok? My breakfast usually consist of a small can of tuna, raisin bran cereal, banana and milk.