Why nonexistence of God is an impossibility

[juvenissun]

What? No. You haven't discovered anything at all. You've merely asked a question, guessed at an answer, and called it a "discovery."

Don't pick on the term I used. Are you able to say something about the process?

To shape the property of a personal god, the term "discovery" is not that bad.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Don't pick on the term I used. Are you able to say something about the process?

To shape the property of a personal god, the term "discovery" is not that bad.

Why not pick on the term? The most generous term I can think of for what you are describing is "speculating."

 

[bhsmte]

I promised to shed some light over my theist philosophy, so here goes.

Rather than saying directly "God exists", it tries to prove it the opposite way: "It's impossible for God to not exist".

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For me the brain represents the material link between the body and soul. DNA is also material, and materia in itself doesn't have the intelligence to create life and the perfect balance and symbiosis in the ecosystems.

Soul is more important than materia for the existence as a whole. If there was not even one soul ever, not even time or the void alone that the universe floats in would have existed because there would have been nothing and no one to detect their existence, and thus they would have existed for nothing.


The existence and continuity of souls is thus a necessity for existence of everything else. It gives universe a reason and a meaning.

I do appreciate science as it tries to feed our hunger for knowledge, which is definitely a noble goal. But Big Bang theory and the evolution theory are still just that – theories, because they don't have all the supportive evidence to make them 100% (of the) fact yet.


The Big Bang theory only starts from the point where the materia already existed, and does not much comment on where the energy came from to create the materia into the void for the Big Bang to happen later on. On top of it, no astronomer is able to explain where the center point of the great explosion located.


For the evolution theory to work, there must be a mechanism in living cells which adds more DNA to the DNA chain. But no one has been able to prove that yet, and mutation only changes or swaps DNA, it doesn't add it. Scientiests are also unable to explain the birth of a nucleus in a cell.


Scientists do admit that there must be an organizer which keeps all the materia in proper order and the nature on this planet in balance, but doesn't straight out name the organizer as a designer or soul, or in other words, God. That's because science refrains to comment on beliefs or religion to stay as neutral as possible, and only examines the observable, material world.


Refraining from commenting the subject doesn't mean, however, that science denies the existence of souls, or God. That's what people choose to do, not science itself.

Besides, I would rather believe that there is a God and then find out there isn't, than not believe in God and then find out there is.

How can you show us, that souls indeed exist?

 

[Freodin]

Don't pick on the term I used. Are you able to say something about the process?

To shape the property of a personal god, the term "discovery" is not that bad.

To "guess" an answer and derive a property of a divine being from that is... well, "bad" is a very weak term to describe it.

Beyond that, I fear that your "guess" is based on a faulty after-the-fact logical mistake.

- could the god make every human being have happy life forever? Yes, of course, it's god - god could do everything.
- but not every human being have happy life forever... we can see this.
- thus there must be a good reason for god not to make every human have happy life forever. God should not happy human forever life make!

 

[toLiJC]

there would have been no universal creation and life if there has been no God, there must be something or someone that creates and supports the life, because just think what would be if there was no normal place for living in the cosmos but simply (some) dark space, how for example the souls would stray in the dark cosmos without having any normal life

Blessings

 

[bhsmte]

there would have been no universal creation and life if there has been no God, there must be something or someone that creates and supports the life, because just think what would be if there was no normal place for living in the cosmos but just some dark space, how the souls would stray in the dark cosmos without having any normal life

Blessings

Why?

 

[toLiJC]

Why?

what "why"?!

Blessings

 

[bhsmte]

what "why"?!

Blessings

Explain why it would be impossible to have life without a God.

 

[Eudaimonist]

For me the brain represents the material link between the body and soul.

What is a soul?

If there was not even one soul ever, not even time or the void alone that the universe floats in would have existed because there would have been nothing and no one to detect their existence, and thus they would have existed for nothing.

Why does something have to be detected by a soul to exist? Why can't it simply exist?

Besides, I would rather believe that there is a God and then find out there isn't, than not believe in God and then find out there is.

I'd rather be honest with myself, come what may. If God would punish me for my honesty, that God would be evil and not worthy of my worship.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Nithavela]

Explain why it would be impossible to have life without a God.

Well, there might be life, just nobody to stuff the souls into that life.

 

[FreedByte]

there would have been no universal creation and life if there has been no God

Which god? Krishna? Bahá? Waheguru?

 

[juvenissun]

Why not pick on the term? The most generous term I can think of for what you are describing is "speculating."

I don't think you can even speculate. Show me.

 

[juvenissun]

To "guess" an answer and derive a property of a divine being from that is... well, "bad" is a very weak term to describe it.

Beyond that, I fear that your "guess" is based on a faulty after-the-fact logical mistake.

- could the god make every human being have happy life forever? Yes, of course, it's god - god could do everything.
- but not every human being have happy life forever... we can see this.
- thus there must be a good reason for god not to make every human have happy life forever. God should not happy human forever life make!

OK. Then let me ask you: Why should "bad" people (like Hitler) in this world also enjoy a forever happy life? If a god make them have that, is that god not fair?

You may insist that the god can do that. Fine, so this god has that property (it can not be reversed in the future, otherwise, this god is not the same god any more). However, it would have consequences. If you like to continue, we may follow your idea and see what could happen.

This is not guess or speculation. It is reasoning. Reason on what kind of god do you like to see? (don't forget the existence of a god is assumed at the very beginning). No. a god can NOT do everything. A god has properties. Once some properties are set, then the god can not violate those properties.

 

[Freodin]

OK. Then let me ask you: Why should "bad" people (like Hitler) in this world also enjoy a forever happy life? If a god make them have that, is that god not fair?

This is not guess or speculation. It is reasoning. Reason on what kind of god do you like to see? (don't forget the existence of a god is assumed at the very beginning). No. a god can NOT do everything. A god has properties. Once some properties are set, then the god can not violate those properties.

After the fact reasoning again.

- there are bad people... we can see this.
- so god must have a good reason to create bad people who are not deserve life happy forever

And now ask yourself, is it fair to create these people? Is it fair to the people that these bad people do bad thing to? Would it be fair not to create bad people? Perhaps it would be graceful to grant happy life forever to everyone, even bad people?

With enough "guessing", you can find that this god has any attribute that you want to show he has. You can even "guess" that a god can do everything.

 

[juvenissun]

After the fact reasoning again.

- there are bad people... we can see this.
- so god must have a good reason to create bad people who are not deserve life happy forever

And now ask yourself, is it fair to create these people? Is it fair to the people that these bad people do bad thing to? Would it be fair not to create bad people? Perhaps it would be graceful to grant happy life forever to everyone, even bad people?

With enough "guessing", you can find that this god has any attribute that you want to show he has. You can even "guess" that a god can do everything.

Before you asked me the question, you have just introduced another property to this god: this god created ALL people on the earth, good and bad.

Are you sure you want that god to have this property? Don't forget every property assigned WILL have serious consequences.

Now this god has two properties already: 1) make ALL people have eternal happy life. 2) create (and continue to create) people, good and bad.

Do you like to change something about this god? Or you want to ditch them and start it all over? If you like to keep them, then I will consider your questions.

 

[quatona]

Before you asked me the question, you have just introduced another property to this god: this god created ALL people on the earth, good and bad.

Are you sure you want that god to have this property? Don't forget every property assigned WILL have serious consequences.

Now this god has two properties already: 1) make ALL people have eternal happy life. 2) create (and continue to create) people, good and bad.

Do you like to change something about this god? Or you want to ditch them and start it all over? If you like to keep them, then I will consider your questions.

There´s something profoundly funny about a believer asking a non-believer to define his god for him.

 

[Freodin]

Before you asked me the question, you have just introduced another property to this god: this god created ALL people on the earth, good and bad.

Are you sure you want that god to have this property? Don't forget every property assigned WILL have serious consequences.

Now this god has two properties already: 1) make ALL people have eternal happy life. 2) create (and continue to create) people, good and bad.

Do you like to change something about this god? Or you want to ditch them and start it all over? If you like to keep them, then I will consider your questions.

We can do this as long as you wish... assigning properties, making conclusions from them, debating the validity of these conclusions... but in every single case, in every single property that you "discover", there will be the (completely valid) objection "and maybe this is completely wrong, because this god does simply not exist".

But I fear you will have to continue to make up... err, "discover"... more properties of God on your own.

I will stay here at the completely valid objection.

 

[juvenissun]

There´s something profoundly funny about a believer asking a non-believer to define his god for him.

Nothing is funny. This is an academic brain storming.
It has a great purpose: Any established religion is not simple at all. One either believe, or not. Don't try to argue on any of them.

 

[bhsmte]

Nothing is funny. This is an academic brain storming.

Sure, asking a person who does not believe in a God, to define one for you.

Very academic, indeed.

 

[quatona]

Nothing is funny. This is an academic brain storming.

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