Why nonexistence of God is an impossibility

[Nithavela]

If everyone has a happy, eternal life after that, what exactly would hitler have done that that warrants exclusion from that happy, eternal life?

 

[juvenissun]

We can do this as long as you wish... assigning properties, making conclusions from them, debating the validity of these conclusions... but in every single case, in every single property that you "discover", there will be the (completely valid) objection "and maybe this is completely wrong, because this god does simply not exist".

But I fear you will have to continue to make up... err, "discover"... more properties of God on your own.

I will stay here at the completely valid objection.

Your consideration violated the very first assumption. If you insist that, then any discussion along this line will not make sense. In fact, it does not matter if this god really existed or not. It is a model building process. It is an attempt to build a theological system. It could just be a fun game.

Now, you know it is not easy at all to assign any property to a god. In Buddhism, the theology said that Buddha conditionally "saves" people. Do you think it is a good property? Those conditions are quite hard to be satisfied.

The Christian God has a list of properties. Everyone of them makes a perfect sense. If you are interested, I can tell you some.

 

[juvenissun]

Sure, asking a person who does not believe in a God, to define one for you.

Very academic, indeed.

A very hard job. I guess he knows it.

 

[bhsmte]

A very hard job. I guess he knows it.

Not if you just speculate and make stuff up.

 

[toLiJC]

Explain why it would be impossible to have life without a God.

because exactly He is the source of (the) life Who creates, moves and sustains it

Blessings

 

[FreedByte]

because exactly He is the source of (the) life Who creates, moves and sustains it

Blessings

Begging the question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Golden Yak]

because exactly He is the source of (the) life Who creates, moves and sustains it

If God is not the source of all life, then you would have to agree that he does not necessarily exist just because life exists.

 

[toLiJC]

Which god? Krishna? Bahá? Waheguru?

the true One - He knows Who He is even if we do not know anything about Him, although we can invoke Him by saying for example: "Father, You Who really are the only true God of all the boundless universe, i do not want to have any other god or lord(christ) besides You and Your only begotten firstborn Son Jesus", He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, therefore there is no reason for worry about whether He sees and hears us and is aware of our problem(s)

Matthew 6:8 "your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

Blessings

 

[FreedByte]

the true One - He knows Who He is even if we do not know anything about Him, although we can invoke Him by saying for example: "Father, You Who really are the only true God of all the boundless universe, i do not want to have any other god or lord(christ) besides You and Your only begotten firstborn Son Jesus", He is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, therefore there is no reason for worry about whether He sees and hears us and is aware of our problem(s)

Matthew 6:8 "your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

Blessings

Ok but why should someone believe in the deity you're describing over the deity (or deities) of another religion?

 

[toLiJC]

Ok but why should someone believe in the deity you're describing over the deity (or deities) of another religion?

if there is some true God when it is possible that there be many other(false) gods, then the faith is a matter of seeking/invocation of and faithfulness to That Who really is the true One, so what is the guarantee that the so-called krishna, baha, waheguru, buddha, etc. are not false gods?!, because here is how for example there is only one true God shown in the biblical scriptures as well as only one true Lord, namely Jesus Christ, or where can you find more than one God(Heavenly Father) and more than one Lord(Christ) in the Bible?!, and is it possible that one and the same God contradicts to Himself on many different parts with different traditions by manifesting in different forms, or can there be many supreme Gods equal in power, wisdom, might, possession, and everything in general?!

Blessings

 

[FreedByte]

Who really is the true One, so what is the guarantee that the so-called krishna, baha, waheguru, buddha, etc. are not false gods?!,

There is no guarantee that the god of any religion isn't false. That's part of my point.

because here is how for example there is only one true God shown in the biblical scriptures

You need to prove that the bible is true before using it as evidence.

as well as only one true Lord, namely Jesus Christ, or where can you find more than one God(Heavenly Father) and more than one Lord(Christ) in the Bible?!

Again, you're assuming that the bible is true.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't think you can even speculate. Show me.

Sure I can. I could speculate, for example, that each of the forces of nature was created by a different god. Thus we have a polytheistic system. Under some circumstances these gods do battle with one another. Black holes mark the triumph of the god of gravity.

 

[terryjohn]

No man can come to God unless christ brings him and no man can come to christ unless the father brings him. Anyone who has climbed up another way is said to be a thief and a lair.

 

[quatona]

No man can come to God unless christ brings him and no man can come to christ unless the father brings him. Anyone who has climbed up another way is said to be a thief and a lair.

Cool stóry!

 

[juvenissun]

Sure I can. I could speculate, for example, that each of the forces of nature was created by a different god. Thus we have a polytheistic system. Under some circumstances these gods do battle with one another. Black holes mark the triumph of the god of gravity.

So, polytheism.

As a consequence:
We classify life forms and rocks and other physical subjects, like stars, etc.
Do we need to classify gods? Do we have different gods for different animals? We have compressional force, tensional force, and shear force. Do we have a god who controls each type of force? We have thunder god, rain god, etc. Fine. Do we need to have ice god and fog god?

Polytheism could simply be a mess.

 

[juvenissun]

Not if you just speculate and make stuff up.

Are those primitive people who made up the Christianity smart or dumb?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

So, polytheism.

As a consequence:
We classify life forms and rocks and other physical subjects, like stars, etc.
Do we need to classify gods? Do we have different gods for different animals? We have compressional force, tensional force, and shear force. Do we have a god who controls each type of force? We have thunder god, rain god, etc. Fine. Do we need to have ice god and fog god?

Polytheism could simply be a mess.

No. Only four gods, one for each of the four fundamental forces: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force.

 

[bhsmte]

Are those primitive people who made up the Christianity smart or dumb?

Probably a mix of both. The driving force was a psychological need to create a story and a God to go along with it, just as many other groups have created their own.

When one has little understanding of the world, many are uncomfortable with not understanding, so they make stuff up to fill the gap.

Quite simple really.

 

[juvenissun]

No. Only four gods, one for each of the four fundamental forces: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force.

Are these four forces gods themselves or are the four gods who control the four forces?

Do these gods do anything else except controlling the forces?

 

[juvenissun]

Probably a mix of both. The driving force was a psychological need to create a story and a God to go along with it, just as many other groups have created their own.

When one has little understanding of the world, many are uncomfortable with not understanding, so they make stuff up to fill the gap.

Quite simple really.

So those people might be really primitive in knowledge, logic and experience. Do you expect their idea of theology be taken as "profound" in modern days? The Christian theology today is entirely based on what's written at least 2000 years ago and earlier. Why didn't the modern Mormons and the Jehovah witnesses revise the most of the theology, but inherited more than 90% of the old idea on what a God should be like?

If the original thought about Christianity is "simple", then how could it survive the scrutinies of all academic studies in all the modern seminary schools?