Why nonexistence of God is an impossibility

[Archaeopteryx]

If so, how do you define your gods? More basically, why do you still NEED these gods?

If a god who "controls" (not "is) the Weak Force, then could science suggest the existence of this god (same argument to the existence of soul)? Why don't you save the trouble by scratching out this god? If you do that, what are you going to lose in your theology?

Yes, you will lose the god, but you still have the Weak Force. Would that be enough?

Are you suggesting that we need not invoke the action of supernatural agents in order to explain natural phenomena that we do not fully understand yet?

 

[True Scotsman]

there were many ancient events till now that cannot be proven, but this does not mean they did not happened for certain, that is why it was said that it is a matter of right faith, because there are things that cannot be proven with physical evidence, or as it is written:

1 Corinthians 2:7-16 "we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

Blessings

So you do accept circular reasoning as valid. Do you realize that anything can be proven with circular reasoning?

 

[juvenissun]

Are you suggesting that we need not invoke the action of supernatural agents in order to explain natural phenomena that we do not fully understand yet?

No, we do not NEED TO.
Any problem with that?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Are you suggesting that we need not invoke the action of supernatural agents in order to explain natural phenomena that we do not fully understand yet?

The way I see it is that the natural is something like a set of postulates, which cover all experience (sense data and natural interpretations of it) and possibilities of rationality (math, logic etc).

So we have a set A of all postulates, and B of natural ones. A can be discarded, because B is always suffiicient to form theoretical explanations of type B (members of set B).

But can B as a whole ever explain itself? Rather than parts of B explaining other parts of B in a a piecemeal (cf piecemeal realism) fashion?


And are parts of B (logic's relation to reality for instance) really explained by naturalism or are they just regarded as "given".


As you can guess, I am not married.

 

[FreedByte]

it was already explained to you how the other lords(christs) do not seek the profit of all humans for abundant and everlasting life in God the Father, but only the Lord Jesus Christ works for true overall(all-embracing) salvation

You need to prove that this is true, you can't just state it to be true.

And even if you did prove it to be true, that doesn't prove that Christianity is true.

 

[toLiJC]

So you do accept circular reasoning as valid. Do you realize that anything can be proven with circular reasoning?

then show your so-called circular reasoning

Blessings

 

[Nithavela]

Juvenissm, any response to my assertion that Baha'ism is more logical and reasonable than christianity?

 

[toLiJC]

You need to prove that this is true, you can't just state it to be true.

And even if you did prove it to be true, that doesn't prove that Christianity is true.

man, if the faith was just some proof, then it would not have been a faith, for to believe in God means to trust in Him because of the lack of (enough): knowledge, wisdom, dignity, power, might, ability, etc., that is why the Lord Jesus Christ said: "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."(John 20:29), because if the full guarantee could be completely seen, then there would even have been no hope, or as it is written: "hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."(Romans 8:24-25)

Blessings

 

[FreedByte]

man, if the faith was just some proof, then it would not have been a faith, for to believe in God means to trust in Him because of the lack of (enough): knowledge, wisdom, dignity, power, might, ability, etc., that is why the Lord Jesus Christ said: "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."(John 20:29), because if the full guarantee could be completely seen, then there would even have been no hope, or as it is written: "hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."(Romans 8:24-25)

Blessings

Ok so again I ask, if all religions require faith without evidence, why have faith in Christianity instead of another religion?

 

[juvenissun]

Juvenissm, any response to my assertion that Baha'ism is more logical and reasonable than christianity?

No. I do not know what that is.

 

[bhsmte]

No. I do not know what that is.

Best you educate yourself on other religions, before you claim Christianity is the most logical and reasonable.

 

[FreedByte]

No. I do not know what that is.

Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nithavela]

"No religion is as grand as christianity!"
"How many other religions do you know?"
"Zero!"

 

[MyLordMySavior]

Best you educate yourself on other religions, before you claim Christianity is the most logical and reasonable.

And I'm sure you have studied the other 4,200 religions in the world yourself....

Perhaps you should educate yourself on other religions before you claim the concept of God to be illogical and unreasonable.

 

[FreedByte]

Perhaps you should educate yourself on other religions before you claim the concept of God to be illogical and unreasonable.

The concept of a deity is not an inherently religious concept. Deists hold that there is a creator god, but are not religious at all.

 

[bhsmte]

And I'm sure you have studied the other 4,200 religions in the world yourself....

Perhaps you should educate yourself on other religions before you claim the concept of God to be illogical and unreasonable.

You are correct, I am not an expert on the claims of all religions by any means. I can form an opinion on Christianity, based on my knowledge and in depth study of the bible by reading the works of scholars and historians.

I can state with a high degree of confidence, that I believe the Christian God does not exist and is why I am an atheist towards the Christian God. I used to be a Christian, but after accumulating knowledge, I simply could not reconcile the Christian story as legit any longer. In regards to a non-personal universal type of God, I would consider myself more agnostic.

 

[juvenissun]

Best you educate yourself on other religions, before you claim Christianity is the most logical and reasonable.

I think I know quite a bit. At least much more than you do.

 

[juvenissun]

Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks, I can google too.

 

[juvenissun]

"No religion is as grand as christianity!"
"How many other religions do you know?"
"Zero!"

Me: Expert on one, good on two more, general on the other two.
You: ? (may be less then one in general understanding?). Tell me which one you are good at, and I will challenge you on that.

 

[Smidlee]

Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"These messengers have included Abrahamic figures - Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, as well as Dharmic ones - Krishna, Buddha, and others"

That sounds like throw all religions in a blender. It seems an attempt to unity all religions into one.