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Christians of the past were stripped of their possessions and driven from their homes. They "endured a great fight of afflictions." Hebrews 10:32.

They "had trial of cruel
mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment." Hebrews 11:36.

Great numbers sealed their testimony with their blood. Noble and slave, rich and poor, learned and ignorant, were alike slain without mercy.

These persecutions, beginning under Nero about the time of the martyrdom of Paul, continued with greater or less fury for centuries.

Christians were falsely accused of the most dreadful crimes and declared to be the cause of great calamities--famine, pestilence, and earthquake.

As they became the objects of popular hatred and suspicion, informers stood ready, for the sake of gain, to betray the innocent.

They were condemned as rebels against the empire, as foes of religion, and pests to society. Great numbers were thrown to wild beasts or burned alive in the amphitheaters.

Some were crucified; others were covered with the skins of wild animals and thrust into the arena to be torn by dogs. Their punishment was often made the chief entertainment at public fetes. Vast multitudes assembled to enjoy the sight and greeted their dying agonies with laughter and applause.

Wherever they sought refuge, the followers of Christ were hunted like beasts of prey.
They were forced to seek concealment in desolate and solitary places. "Destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth." Verses 37, 38.

The catacombs afforded shelter for thousands. Beneath the hills outside the city of Rome, long galleries had been tunneled through earth and rock; the dark and intricate network of passages extended for miles beyond the city walls. In these underground retreats the followers of Christ buried their dead; and here also, when suspected and proscribed, they found a home.

When the Life-giver shall awaken those who have fought the good fight, many a martyr for Christ's sake will come forth from those gloomy caverns.

Under the fiercest persecution these witnesses for Jesus kept their faith unsullied.

Though deprived of every comfort, shut away from the light of the sun, making their home in the dark but friendly bosom of the earth, they uttered no complaint.

With words of faith, patience, and hope they encouraged one another to endure privation and distress.

The loss of every earthly blessing could not force them to renounce their belief in Christ. Trials and persecution were but steps bringing them nearer their rest and their reward.

Like God's servants of old, many were "tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection." Verse 35.

These called to mind the words of their Master, that when persecuted for Christ's sake, they were to be exceeding glad, for great would be their reward in heaven; for so the prophets had been persecuted before them.

They rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer for the truth, and songs of triumph ascended from the midst of crackling flames.

Looking upward by faith, they saw Christ and angels leaning over the battlements of heaven, gazing upon them with the deepest interest and regarding their steadfastness with approval.

A voice came down to them from the throne of God: "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10.

In vain were Satan's efforts to destroy the church of Christ by violence.

The great controversy in which the disciples of Jesus yielded up their lives did not cease when these faithful standard-bearers fell at their post. By defeat they conquered. God's workmen were slain, but His work went steadily forward.

The gospel continued to spread and the number of its adherents to increase. It penetrated into regions that were inaccessible even to the eagles of Rome.

Said a Christian, expostulating with the heathen rulers who were urging forward the persecution: You may "kill us, torture us, condemn us. . . . Your injustice is the proof that we are innocent . . . . Nor does your cruelty . . . avail you." It was but a stronger invitation to bring others to their persuasion.

"The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed."--Tertullian, Apology, paragraph 50.

Thousands were imprisoned and slain, but others sprang up to fill their places. And those who were martyred for their faith were secured to Christ and accounted of Him as conquerors.

There is another and more important question that should engage the attention of the churches of today.

The apostle Paul declares that "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12.

Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber?

The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition.

The religion which is current in our day is not of the pure and holy character that marked the Christian faith in the days of Christ and His apostles.

It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world.

Let there be a revival of the faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled.
 

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There are more martyrs for Christ in the last 100 years than in all the prior history of the Christian church. Most of the victims of persecution (severe physical and mental torture) live in third world nations including Russia, China, Africa and South America.

How fortunate we are to live in the Christian West. We in the West benefit from religious toleration and forgiveness of wrongs.

Religious toleration: what a wonderful blessing to give to the rest of the world. How sad that most of the world rejects it.
 
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And yet we suffer in the West as well, but in more subtle ways.

What is persecution for Christ?

It is the denial of a right or privilege to which we are entitled such right to be alive, right to own property, right to not be raped or tortured, right to speak, to print, and to pray on equal terms as others, right to equal protection under law, right to address political and social issues in the Name of Christ. I could go on, but you get the idea. Persecution comes in many forms.

Let us resist evil in the USA so that the persecution will not stop evangelism and discipleship. I recommend everyone see these excellent groups or look up the groups in my signature line.

See aclj.org and lc.org for starters. Our wonderful constitution was written by mostly Christian men, and it respects our God-given rights.
 
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LovesTruth said:
Our wonderful constitution was written by mostly Christian men, and it respects our God-given rights.
What are you going to do, when the Contitution is abolished ?

The Bible prophecy says that it will happen !
 
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Silver Surfer said:
Christians of the past were stripped of their possessions and driven from their homes. They "endured a great fight of afflictions." Hebrews 10:32.

They "had trial of cruel
mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment." Hebrews 11:36.

Great numbers sealed their testimony with their blood. Noble and slave, rich and poor, learned and ignorant, were alike slain without mercy.

These persecutions, beginning under Nero about the time of the martyrdom of Paul, continued with greater or less fury for centuries.

Christians were falsely accused of the most dreadful crimes and declared to be the cause of great calamities--famine, pestilence, and earthquake.

As they became the objects of popular hatred and suspicion, informers stood ready, for the sake of gain, to betray the innocent.

They were condemned as rebels against the empire, as foes of religion, and pests to society. Great numbers were thrown to wild beasts or burned alive in the amphitheaters.

Some were crucified; others were covered with the skins of wild animals and thrust into the arena to be torn by dogs. Their punishment was often made the chief entertainment at public fetes. Vast multitudes assembled to enjoy the sight and greeted their dying agonies with laughter and applause.

Wherever they sought refuge, the followers of Christ were hunted like beasts of prey.
They were forced to seek concealment in desolate and solitary places. "Destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth." Verses 37, 38.

The catacombs afforded shelter for thousands. Beneath the hills outside the city of Rome, long galleries had been tunneled through earth and rock; the dark and intricate network of passages extended for miles beyond the city walls. In these underground retreats the followers of Christ buried their dead; and here also, when suspected and proscribed, they found a home.

When the Life-giver shall awaken those who have fought the good fight, many a martyr for Christ's sake will come forth from those gloomy caverns.

Under the fiercest persecution these witnesses for Jesus kept their faith unsullied.

Though deprived of every comfort, shut away from the light of the sun, making their home in the dark but friendly bosom of the earth, they uttered no complaint.

With words of faith, patience, and hope they encouraged one another to endure privation and distress.

The loss of every earthly blessing could not force them to renounce their belief in Christ. Trials and persecution were but steps bringing them nearer their rest and their reward.

Like God's servants of old, many were "tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection." Verse 35.

These called to mind the words of their Master, that when persecuted for Christ's sake, they were to be exceeding glad, for great would be their reward in heaven; for so the prophets had been persecuted before them.

They rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer for the truth, and songs of triumph ascended from the midst of crackling flames.

Looking upward by faith, they saw Christ and angels leaning over the battlements of heaven, gazing upon them with the deepest interest and regarding their steadfastness with approval.

A voice came down to them from the throne of God: "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10.

In vain were Satan's efforts to destroy the church of Christ by violence.

The great controversy in which the disciples of Jesus yielded up their lives did not cease when these faithful standard-bearers fell at their post. By defeat they conquered. God's workmen were slain, but His work went steadily forward.

The gospel continued to spread and the number of its adherents to increase. It penetrated into regions that were inaccessible even to the eagles of Rome.

Said a Christian, expostulating with the heathen rulers who were urging forward the persecution: You may "kill us, torture us, condemn us. . . . Your injustice is the proof that we are innocent . . . . Nor does your cruelty . . . avail you." It was but a stronger invitation to bring others to their persuasion.

"The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed."--Tertullian, Apology, paragraph 50.

Thousands were imprisoned and slain, but others sprang up to fill their places. And those who were martyred for their faith were secured to Christ and accounted of Him as conquerors.

There is another and more important question that should engage the attention of the churches of today.

The apostle Paul declares that "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12.

Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber?

The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition.

The religion which is current in our day is not of the pure and holy character that marked the Christian faith in the days of Christ and His apostles.

It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world.

Let there be a revival of the faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled.
Many Christians who placed their loyalty to Jesus higher than their loyalty to the state were persecuted in Nazi Germany. And if Nazis took over in Germany, they can take over anywhere else.
 
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LovesTruth said:
What is persecution for Christ?

It is the denial of a right or privilege to which we are entitled such right to be alive, right to own property, right to not be raped or tortured, right to speak, to print, and to pray on equal terms as others, right to equal protection under law, right to address political and social issues in the Name of Christ. I could go on, but you get the idea. Persecution comes in many forms.

Let us resist evil in the USA so that the persecution will not stop evangelism and discipleship.
For the Mark of the Beast to happen, freedom of religion must be abolished....so it is written, so shall it be done !
 
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Actually there is much persecution today. In the Christian West with our stress on love and tolerance, the anti-Christian and anti-Jew persecution comes in many subtle forms...

It may be that workers and military personnel and professionals are given slightly lower performance ratings, or that they are socially excluded so they will quit jobs, or that gov't bureaucrats deny Christians and religious colleges equal access to grants and research funding...

And it may be that school teachers and college profs grade lower when a vocal believer is in class...

All these and a hundred more ways are non-violent persecution, but just as effective as if a thief stole a Christian's wealth at knife point.

God is greater than all these. I laugh at the enemy. The blood of martyrs is seed for the church. God will not allow us to suffer anything beyond His grace to withstand.
 
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I guess, persecutions come when we choose to stand up for Jesus. But are we willing to stand up for Jesus? In the book of Jeremiah, God told Jeremiah to tell the israelites to surrender to their enemies. That is treason, in the eyes of the king of Israel, and betrayal in the eyes of the fellow israelites. No wonder so many people want Jeremiah dead, they simply cannot afford to let this simple guy who trust in God, lead to a reduction in the morale of the soldiers.

Will you do that for God, will we do that for God? If God one day wants to judge our nations, and tells us to tell our fellow citizens to surrender to opposing nations that invade us, promising to bless us if we surrender instead of fight, who will dare to do it? Whoever do it will stand up for God and Jesus, but commits treason in the eyes of everybody else in the nation?

Persecutions will come if we dare to totally surrender ourselves to God to say only what He wants from us. If we dares to even commit treason for the sake of God, when God so wants us to do it. But the thing is, will we? Are we willing to be traitors in the eyes of our country-men to be hero in the eyes of God? Jeremiah was willing.

So, he was persecuted.
 
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its even got good justice which will help us all.. righteousness of the trees, protection in the higher of the places, and peace a tower of good that wont go away, until full peace... but thats just to make sure no torture, the rest is for the good of the softness of us all, the inner being... not literally soft but spirituality...
 
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Actually there is much persecution today. In the Christian West with our stress on love and tolerance, the anti-Christian and anti-Jew persecution comes in many subtle forms...

It may be that workers and military personnel and professionals are given slightly lower performance ratings, or that they are socially excluded so they will quit jobs, or that gov't bureaucrats deny Christians and religious colleges equal access to grants and research funding...

And it may be that school teachers and college profs grade lower when a vocal believer is in class...

All these and a hundred more ways are non-violent persecution, but just as effective as if a thief stole a Christian's wealth at knife point.

God is greater than all these. I laugh at the enemy. The blood of martyrs is seed for the church. God will not allow us to suffer anything beyond His grace to withstand.
It may be, but I doubt it, because the separation of church and state protects religious freedom. To grade a person lower because of stated belief would go against the principle of religious liberty, as well as eduction that's supposed to be neutral towards religion.
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I don't know about anyone else, but we've got some over here. No, not like back in the day, but I'm sure it'll get worse. :p :)
Like what? I'm curious.
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Christians of the past were stripped of their possessions and driven from their homes. They "endured a great fight of afflictions." Hebrews 10:32.

They "had trial of cruel
mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment." Hebrews 11:36.

Great numbers sealed their testimony with their blood. Noble and slave, rich and poor, learned and ignorant, were alike slain without mercy.

These persecutions, beginning under Nero about the time of the martyrdom of Paul, continued with greater or less fury for centuries.

Christians were falsely accused of the most dreadful crimes and declared to be the cause of great calamities--famine, pestilence, and earthquake.

As they became the objects of popular hatred and suspicion, informers stood ready, for the sake of gain, to betray the innocent.

They were condemned as rebels against the empire, as foes of religion, and pests to society. Great numbers were thrown to wild beasts or burned alive in the amphitheaters.

Some were crucified; others were covered with the skins of wild animals and thrust into the arena to be torn by dogs. Their punishment was often made the chief entertainment at public fetes. Vast multitudes assembled to enjoy the sight and greeted their dying agonies with laughter and applause.

Wherever they sought refuge, the followers of Christ were hunted like beasts of prey.
They were forced to seek concealment in desolate and solitary places. "Destitute, afflicted, tormented; (of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth." Verses 37, 38.

The catacombs afforded shelter for thousands. Beneath the hills outside the city of Rome, long galleries had been tunneled through earth and rock; the dark and intricate network of passages extended for miles beyond the city walls. In these underground retreats the followers of Christ buried their dead; and here also, when suspected and proscribed, they found a home.

When the Life-giver shall awaken those who have fought the good fight, many a martyr for Christ's sake will come forth from those gloomy caverns.

Under the fiercest persecution these witnesses for Jesus kept their faith unsullied.

Though deprived of every comfort, shut away from the light of the sun, making their home in the dark but friendly bosom of the earth, they uttered no complaint.

With words of faith, patience, and hope they encouraged one another to endure privation and distress.

The loss of every earthly blessing could not force them to renounce their belief in Christ. Trials and persecution were but steps bringing them nearer their rest and their reward.

Like God's servants of old, many were "tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection." Verse 35.

These called to mind the words of their Master, that when persecuted for Christ's sake, they were to be exceeding glad, for great would be their reward in heaven; for so the prophets had been persecuted before them.

They rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer for the truth, and songs of triumph ascended from the midst of crackling flames.

Looking upward by faith, they saw Christ and angels leaning over the battlements of heaven, gazing upon them with the deepest interest and regarding their steadfastness with approval.

A voice came down to them from the throne of God: "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10.

In vain were Satan's efforts to destroy the church of Christ by violence.

The great controversy in which the disciples of Jesus yielded up their lives did not cease when these faithful standard-bearers fell at their post. By defeat they conquered. God's workmen were slain, but His work went steadily forward.

The gospel continued to spread and the number of its adherents to increase. It penetrated into regions that were inaccessible even to the eagles of Rome.

Said a Christian, expostulating with the heathen rulers who were urging forward the persecution: You may "kill us, torture us, condemn us. . . . Your injustice is the proof that we are innocent . . . . Nor does your cruelty . . . avail you." It was but a stronger invitation to bring others to their persuasion.

"The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed."--Tertullian, Apology, paragraph 50.

Thousands were imprisoned and slain, but others sprang up to fill their places. And those who were martyred for their faith were secured to Christ and accounted of Him as conquerors.

There is another and more important question that should engage the attention of the churches of today.

The apostle Paul declares that "all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12.

Why is it, then, that persecution seems in a great degree to slumber?

The only reason is that the church has conformed to the world's standard and therefore awakens no opposition.

The religion which is current in our day is not of the pure and holy character that marked the Christian faith in the days of Christ and His apostles.

It is only because of the spirit of compromise with sin, because the great truths of the word of God are so indifferently regarded, because there is so little vital godliness in the church, that Christianity is apparently so popular with the world.

Let there be a revival of the faith and power of the early church, and the spirit of persecution will be revived, and the fires of persecution will be rekindled.
I'll tell you exactly why no persecution occurs today. Persecution won't occur if you don't share your faith. Many Christians are in a "bubble" and perfectly content with not sharing the love of Christ. This is out of fear; fear of adversity, and fear of rejection from loved ones (friends, family). It disgusts me that people exalt relationships with other people to such grandeur, even though we as people will hurt people so long as we can get what we want, and our love is selfish, and we put unfair and unrealistic standards on our relationships. People betray their King and Savior just so they can be accepted by others....
 
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Persecution "slumber" ?!?

Look at China, Iran, Iraq, shoot...most of the middle east for that matter...

Hundreds of thousands of Christains are killed for their faith each year, and even countries which have religious freedom, Christains still face persecution. Countries like Kyrgyzstan where the government LIKES Christains the general populace doesn't, and will do eveything they can to drive them out, up to and including murder.

Persecution sleeping? Never. Not until the second coming anyway
 
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