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John Hagee calls himself a Dispensationalist, but his doctrine is rejected by every other well known or well informed Dispensational teacher. As for the other respected Dispensational teachers, what this poster is saying is a willful misrepresentation of what we teach.Get a copy of the book "Things to Come" by Dr. Dwight Pentecost, who was a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, and read what he says about a future time when modern Jews will come to salvation outside of the Church.
Listen to Pastor Steve Gregg on YouTube, who was once a member of Calvary Chapel and taught the doctrine for several years, before coming to the conclusion that it was not scriptural.
Do some research on what Pastor John Hagee wrote in the Houston Chronicle about modern Jews not needing Christ, because he says they are still under the Old Covenant.
Discuss the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, with Dispensationalists and look at what they have written in their books about the New Covenant...
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1 THES. 4 [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1COR.15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[53] for this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Will Job be amoung the dead in Christ who will be “changed” at the 1Cor.15 event?
1 CORINTHIANS 10[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all OUR FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; [2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; [3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat; [4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
Yes, according to scripture
JOB 14 [10] But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?[11] As the waters fail from the sea, and the flood decayeth and drieth up:[12] So MAN LIETH DOWN, AND RISETH NOT: TILL THE HEAVENS BE NO MORE, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.[13] O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN? all the days of my appointed time will I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME.
Job says after the heavens be no more, then shall his "change" come
2PET.3 [10] But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which THE HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
Job says his "change" will come when the heavens be no more. Above scripture tells us the heavens be no more at the coming of the Day of the Lord. Which occurs {according to scripture} after the great tribulation
ISAIAH 34 [2] For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.[3] Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.[4] And all the host of HEAVEN SHALL BE DISSOLVED, and the heavens shall be rolled together AS A SCROLL: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. [8] For it is THE DAY OF THE LORD'S VENGEANCE, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
REVELATION 6 [12] And I beheld when he had opened THE SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; ......[14] And the heaven departed AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places...... [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
So scripture proves Job will be changed {in the twinkling of an eye} after the tribulation period on the Day of the Lord. So why wasnt he invited to the rapture Darby invented?
Is his rapture doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.John Hagee calls himself a Dispensationalist, but his doctrine is rejected by every other well known or well informed Dispensational teacher. As for the other respected Dispensational teachers, what this poster is saying is a willful misrepresentation of what we teach.
Is his rapture doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.
Is his regathered Israel doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.
Is his decapitated 70th week doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.
Is his parenthetical church doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.
Is his postponed kingdom doctrine rejected by every other dispensationalist? Not that I've ever heard.
So who rejects what?
If you're referring to his dual covenant heresy, my understanding is that he ceased advocating it after the "holy hell" that descended upon him from the rest of the Christian community.What we all reject is his heretical doctrine that Jews can be saved without faith in Christ.
Acclaimed where? He is widely known because of his television show. But, after well over fifty years of moving in Disoensational circles, I cannot remember even one other Dispensationalist who praised him, or who advised people to listen to him.If you're referring to his dual covenant heresy, my understanding is that he ceased advocating it after the "holy hell" that descended upon him from the rest of the Christian community.
Regardless, he is in virtually all other aspects one of dispensationalism's most acclaimed voices.
Other than dual covenant, how does his dispensationalism differ from yours?Acclaimed where? He is widely known because of his television show. But, after well over fifty years of moving in Disoensational circles, I cannot remember even one other Dispensationalist who praised him, or who advised people to listen to him.
Knowing his extreme heresy on one point, I have not studied the rest of what he teaches.Other than dual covenant, how does his dispensationalism differ from yours?
I'd be very surprised if there were any other differences. But I'm not about to waste good dollars on his prophecy bible to confirm that.Knowing his extreme heresy on one point, I have not studied the rest of what he teaches.
Nor am I.I'd be very surprised if there were any other differences. But I'm not about to waste good dollars on his prophecy bible to confirm that.
Absolutely not.
Neither are we promoters of the Two Peoples of God doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America about the time of the Civil War, which was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible.
The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24 and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 completely destroys the doctrine you are promoting.
Your "rightly dividing" doctrine is less than 200 years old.
The New Covenant: Bob George
The Greek words for "wrath" and "tribulation" are not the same word.
You are repeating what you have heard others say.
Get out your Bible to study and find the truth.
I was once a deacon in a conservation Bible church where I was told the same things you are now saying. The problem it that I could not get the doctrine to agree with my Bible.
I was told that the Book of Matthew was not written for the Church, but then I found Christ revealing His Church in Matthew chapter 16 and then I found the Great Commission to the Church at the end of Matthew's Gospel.
Why would I believe a doctrine that does not agree with scripture?
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Absolutely not.
Neither are we promoters of the Two Peoples of God doctrine that John Nelson Darby brought to America about the time of the Civil War, which was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible.
The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24 and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 completely destroys the doctrine you are promoting.
Your "rightly dividing" doctrine is less than 200 years old.
The New Covenant: Bob George
The Greek words for "wrath" and "tribulation" are not the same word.
You are repeating what you have heard others say.
Get out your Bible to study and find the truth.
I was once a deacon in a conservation Bible church where I was told the same things you are now saying. The problem it that I could not get the doctrine to agree with my Bible.
I was told that the Book of Matthew was not written for the Church, but then I found Christ revealing His Church in Matthew chapter 16 and then I found the Great Commission to the Church at the end of Matthew's Gospel.
Why would I believe a doctrine that does not agree with scripture?
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Thank God HE will keep HIS everlasting covenant with the remnant of Israel !!!
The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and is the "everlasting covenant" found in Hebrews 13:20.
You are attempting to ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31. When the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites. The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".
In Romans 11:1 Paul identifies himself as an Israelite, even after his conversion.
Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God. (GW)
The Israel of God is identified in the passage above.
We find those under the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 12:11.
A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church.
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You have said that in the past, you blindly followed dispensational teachers, without even considering whether or not what they said agreed with scripture.
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