Why no evidence FOR creation/ID?

[Jimmy D]

Again, you refuse to deal with the content of what I wrote to you.

It's fallacious reasoning, simple as that.

You say the moon was "designed" to accommodate life on Earth, when it is much more likely that life adapted to the moon's effect on the Earth.

Of course if you can actually demonstrate that the moon's size, position and movements are the result of design have at it... until then it's mere assertion, and a fallacious on at that.

That's your presuppositional theory that needs to be proved by evidence. So far all I've received is your evolutionary presuppositions, not factual data.

Your article didn't provide any evidence, it boils down to "Oooooh, moonlight is beneficial to certain animals, it must have been placed there by a magical entity"which is hardly convincing.

And are you seriously stating that there is no evidence that life adapts to environmental pressures?

 

[Astrophile]

Dr Hugh Ross, astronomer, presents more evidence for ID in the moon's design in, Lunar Designs Optimize Life for Both Predators and Prey

This is the usual confusion of cause and effect. Nocturnal animals have adapted to the lighting conditions provided by the Moon, rather than the Moon having been created for the convenience of nocturnal animals.

 

[OzSpen]

This is the usual confusion of cause and effect. Nocturnal animals have adapted to the lighting conditions provided by the Moon, rather than the Moon having been created for the convenience of nocturnal animals.

That is your evolutionary presupposition of adaptation. You don't seem to want to own up to this and you don't want to accept evidence that God created and there was no evolutionary process.

See Norman L Geisler, Primitive Monotheism and Jon W Greene, A Biblical Case for Old-Earth Creationism.

Oz

 

[Jimmy D]

That is your evolutionary presupposition of adaptation.

"Presuppositions!" *Poof* "Evidence, Begone!"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm

Butterflies evolve resistance to male-killing bacteria in record time

Native Mussel Quickly Evolves Fear of Invasive Crab

New Tougher Bedbugs Are Harder Than Ever to Kill

Three High-Altitude Peoples, Three Adaptations to Thin Air

 

[tas8831]

That is your evolutionary presupposition of adaptation.

And your presupposition of God intervention?

 

[tas8831]

Dr Hugh Ross, astronomer, presents more evidence for ID in the moon's design in, Lunar Designs Optimize Life for Both Predators and Prey

Will you receive this evidence?

Oz

Will you explain why that evidence trumps evidence to the contrary?

And will you explain how it is that you are certain Ross is correct?

 

[OzSpen]

And your presupposition of God intervention?

To what was my comment directed? Here you give me another red herring.

 

[OzSpen]

Will you explain why that evidence trumps evidence to the contrary?

And will you explain how it is that you are certain Ross is correct?

What evidence to the contrary? Please give me specifics instead of your generalities.

 

[pitabread]

That's your presuppositional theory that needs to be proved by evidence. So far all I've received is your evolutionary presuppositions, not factual data.
Oz

Are you really disputing natural selection and that organisms adapt to their environment? I thought even creationists accepted at least that much...

I mean, I could probably bury you under links to scientific papers demonstrating as much, but would there be any point?

 

[Speedwell]

What evidence to the contrary? Please give me specifics instead of your generalities.

There are two possibilities:

That the Moon was placed where it is by intention in order to benefit nocturnal mammals, or that the moon was placed where it is by unguided natural forces and the mammals adapted to benefit from it. How do you tell which?

 

[tas8831]

To what was my comment directed?

To this:

"This is the usual confusion of cause and effect. Nocturnal animals have adapted to the lighting conditions provided by the Moon, rather than the Moon having been created for the convenience of nocturnal animals."



To which I asked about YOUR presuppositions, which strangely creationists never want to admit to or address. And you give me:

Here you give me another red herring.

Remaining true to creationist form on several levels.

I started this thread with this:

Been away for a while, come back and see the same 'arguments' against evolution.

And it is always... ALWAYS... 'arguments' against evolution.

NEVER arguments FOR creation/ID.

Analogies to human activity, bible verses, 'problems' with evolution - none of these, not one of them, is evidence FOR creation or ID.


It is almost as if creationists have admitted to themselves, subconsciously, that they cannot actually offer any positive supporting evidence FOR their mere beliefs, and are content to simply attack 'the other.' This is true, whether the creationist is a one-line snark master, or a verbose citation and quote bombing autodidact.​

and in 71 pages of comments, I have yet to see anything offered by creationists - including you - that amounts to anything beyond 'evolution can't explain X' or 'this creationist essay says evolution is wrong' or bible verses.

Can you address the OP?

 

[tas8831]

Dr Hugh Ross, astronomer, presents more evidence for ID in the moon's design in, Lunar Designs Optimize Life for Both Predators and Prey

Will you receive this evidence?

Oz

Will you retract your circular reasoning premised on your IDcreation presuppositions?

 

[tas8831]

Will you explain why that evidence trumps evidence to the contrary?

What evidence to the contrary? Please give me specifics instead of your generalities.

"This is the usual confusion of cause and effect. Nocturnal animals have adapted to the lighting conditions provided by the Moon, rather than the Moon having been created for the convenience of nocturnal animals. "

And will you explain how it is that you are certain Ross is correct?

I guess not.

 

[tas8831]

That's your evolutionary hypothesis that needs to be tested.

Please direct me to a fossil of a transition species between a chimpanzee and a human being.

Perhaps you did not see the title of this thread?

How about you direct me to ANY evidence of a deity creating a fully grown adult human middle eastern male from dust of the ground no more than 10,000 years ago.

 

[Aman777]

Perhaps you did not see the title of this thread?

How about you direct me to ANY evidence of a deity creating a fully grown adult human middle eastern male from dust of the ground no more than 10,000 years ago.

Your premise is flawed since Adam was made on another world Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature. You must be a believer in evolism.

 

[tas8831]

Your premise is flawed since Adam was made on another world Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature.

Awesome.

You must be a believer in evolism.

I don't know what "evolism" is.

 

[Aman777]

I don't know what "evolism" is.

Evolism is the False Religion of Evolution. It's believers, with NO evidence, preach the idiotic idea that Humans descended from the common ancestor of Apes. Beware their evil teaching since there is a more terrible punishment awaiting those who offend little children who believe in Jesus, by forcing this view on them in Public Schools. Jesus speaks of their more terrible punishment. Mar 9:42

 

[Speedwell]

Evolism is the False Religion of Evolution. It's believers, with NO evidence, preach the idiotic idea that Humans descended from the common ancestor of Apes. Beware their evil teaching since there is a more terrible punishment awaiting those who offend little children who believe in Jesus, by forcing this view on them in Public Schools. Jesus speaks of their more terrible punishment. Mar 9:42

How does teaching evolution interfere with belief in Jesus? All it interferes with, as far as I can see, is a belief in an interpretation of Genesis which most Chrsitians don't share.

 

[OzSpen]

There are two possibilities:

That the Moon was placed where it is by intention in order to benefit nocturnal mammals, or that the moon was placed where it is by unguided natural forces and the mammals adapted to benefit from it. How do you tell which?

Read and take notice of the evidence from the One who created the Moon.

 

[OzSpen]

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