Why Mormons aren't christians.

[Apex]

I thought calling another church "not christian" was against the rules now.... guess I was wrong.

 

[HelloToAll]

Mormons believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet who came after Jesus. The Holy Bible teaches us that no one comes after Jesus. Therefore, Mormons are not Christians. This is nothing personal against Mormon individuals, but with the way they believe, I just can't consider them Christians.

Gramaic

 

[peepnklown]

Why in heaven's name do you care? Does it bother you also when Theravada Buddhists speak against Mahayana Buddhists or when Mahayana Buddhists call Theravadas "Hinayana" meaning "lesser vehicle?"

Of course, when all else fails, use the “why would you care,” tactic, eh? I believe someone already answered this question.

Perhaps peepnklown is more interested in the truth as I am as well.

 

[peepnklown]

Mormons believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet who came after Jesus. The Holy Bible teaches us that no one comes after Jesus. Therefore, Mormons are not Christians.

Can you provide the verse or verses that says no other prophets shall come after Jesus?

 

[kiwimac]

From the 1908 RLDS book of Mormon.



2 Nephi 7:12 But behold, thus saith the Lord God: When the day cometh that they shall believe in me, that I am Christ, then have I covenanted with their fathers, that they shall be restored in the flesh, upon the earth, unto the lands of their inheritance.


2 Nephi 8:13 For if there be no Christ, there be no God; and if there be no God, we are not, for there could have been no creation.


2 Nephi 8:14 But there is a God, and he is Christ; and he cometh in the fullness of his own time.


2 Nephi 11:26 And after they have been scattered, and the Lord God hath scourged them by other nations, for the space of many generations, yea, even down from generation to generation until they shall be persuaded to believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement, which is infinite for all mankind;


2 Nephi 11:36 And according to the words of the prophets, and also the word of the angel of God, his name shall be Jesus Christ, the Son of God.


2 Nephi 11:39 Yea, behold, I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven, save it be this Jesus Christ of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved.
2 Nephi 11:43 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God;
2 Nephi 11:78 And as I spake concerning the convincing of the Jews, that Jesus is the very Christ, it must needs be that the Gentiles be convinced also, that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God; and that he manifesteth himself unto all those who believe in him, by the power of the Holy Ghost;

Kiwimac

 

[*Starlight*]

I believe that Mormons are Christians. They also follow Jesus Christ, they just understand him in a different way. What makes your understanding "more Christian" than what they believe? I don't think that having the right theology is so important. Even among orthodox Christianity there are so many denominations and they all disagree with each other. So how can anyone claim to know the whole, ultimate Truth, and that everyone else who believes in something different is wrong?

I think that if all forms of Christianity, which is much more diverse than many people believe, and also all religions started to work together instead of constantly fighting and trying to prove the others wrong, the exchange of ideas during the interfaith dialogue would bring everyone closer to the ultimate Truth, whatever it may be.

 

[Rae]

You cannot be Christian and polytheist.

--Why not? I've known Christians who believe God reveals himself to all of us in forms we'll accept him in, from Lord Ganesha to Cerridwen to Allah. Do you have any objective evidence for this claim?

 

[ps139]

Christian trinity concept comes from Hinduism trinity while they were mixing Krishna's life history with Christ's and some Vecic verses with Bible.

I really do not think the early Christians even knew what Hinduism was. Do you think the biblical authors, poor fishermen from Galilee, knew any of this? No. And especially since they preached so strongly against the gods of other religions, and maintained that Christ was the sole way to salvation, this theory just does not hold up. Correlation (however weak or strong it may be) does NOT necessarily imply causation.

 

[ps139]

--Why not? I've known Christians who believe God reveals himself to all of us in forms we'll accept him in, from Lord Ganesha to Cerridwen to Allah. Do you have any objective evidence for this claim?

Part of what it is to be Christian is to follow the 10 Commandments. Commandment #1 is a rejection of all other gods.

Now, if someone from a non-Christian background truly seeks God, I believe he can find Him, and it does not necessarily matter what name he gives to God. But I believe this is entirely different from the idea of God manifesting Himself in Lord Ganesha, or anything like that.

 

[ps139]

I thought calling another church "not christian" was against the rules now.... guess I was wrong.

this site defines Christian as one who holds to the tenets of the Nicene Creed. The Mormons do not - so the claim of the OP does not violate the rules.

 

[Cassiopeia]

this site defines Christian as one who holds to the tenets of the Nicene Creed. The Mormons do not - so the claim of the OP does not violate the rules.

It is my understanding that Mormons DO Fall under the catagory of UNORTHODOX Christians and there for it does violate the rules.

 

[ps139]

See here, Casi -

1.5You will not directly state or otherwise imply that another member is not a Christian if he or she falls under Rule 6.5 and 6.6 and he or she does not have a hidden faith icon without providing substantiation from scripture or doctrine or historic church writtings.

6.5 You will NOT post in the "Christians Only" forums (but may post in all other forums) and will NOT use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you consider yourself a "Christian" but do NOT adhere to the contents of the Nicene Creed (including but not limited to Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, United Pentecostal Church members, Oneness Pentecostals or Church Of Christ Scientists). There are specific faith icons for "LDS" and "Jehovah Witnesses". Others may use the "Other-Church" faith icon.
a.An exception is that Jewish members may post in the Messianic Judaism forum only.

6.6 You MAY post in the "Christians Only" forums and MAY use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you consider yourself a "Christian" and DO adhere to the contents of the Nicene Creed AND believe in the following controversial doctrines BUT the specific discussion of these doctrines must be posted in the Open forums (for example, Unorthodox Theological Doctrines) and not in the Christian Only forums:
a. Full Preterism.
b. Open Theism.
c. Universalism or Universal Salvation.
d. Annihilationism.
e. Freemasonry.

 

[ravenscape]

Casi, I think the rules used to protect Unorthodox Christians from being called "not Christian" before the Fall reform, though my memory could be faulty. Maybe you're remembering the same thing I am.

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask. But I don't think this is the right forum to ask it.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Casi, I think the rules used to protect Unorthodox Christians from being called "not Christian" before the Fall reform, though my memory could be faulty. Maybe you're remembering the same thing I am.

This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask. But I don't think this is the right forum to ask it.

the reason I am thinking it is in violation is because yesterday on a thread in the UT forum, I mentioned it to a moderator and she said yes, she was in the wrong and editted her post for saying Mormonism wasn't christianity. Now I agree wholeheartedly that Mormonism is an Unorthodox Christian sect but it is still Christian.

 

[peepnklown]

Now I agree wholeheartedly that Mormonism is an Unorthodox Christian sect but it is still Christian.

I find this humorous, if you believe that Jesus is God and or Christ but do not believe in the man made Nicene Creed, then you are not Christian?

 

[arunma]

I find this humorous, if you believe that Jesus is God and or Christ but do not believe in the man made Nicene Creed, then you are not Christian?

Not that I personally regard the Nicene Creed as divinely inspired, but what makes you think it is man-made? Your very statement suggests that you are working under the assumption that certain writings are divinely inspired, while others are the works of men. Please tell me which writings are of divine origin, as per your assumptions.

 

[Lignoba]

As an ex-Mormon and a person who lived in an area that had more Mormons than Utah, I can vouch for them. While their beliefs are a little different from mainstream Christians, they are Christians and have very high morals and good ethics.

 

[NOTW]

So they're not your idea of Christian. So what?

No, they're not the biblical idea of christians!

 

[Lignoba]

No, they're not the biblical idea of christians!

Then what is the biblical idea of a Christian and why arent they one?

 

[NOTW]

the reason I am thinking it is in violation is because yesterday on a thread in the UT forum, I mentioned it to a moderator and she said yes, she was in the wrong and editted her post for saying Mormonism wasn't christianity. Now I agree wholeheartedly that Mormonism is an Unorthodox Christian sect but it is still Christian.

Just cause someone randomly claimed Jesus appeared to him and started a whole new sect of a religion 1800 years later after Christianity has originally started DOESNT make Mormonism a christian sect.
Mormonism contains ideologies a lot different than what the "general ideas" the other christian sects have.
For example, one can marry multiple wives, or the belief that they will be Gods in the end.
This patently contradicts the basic christian ideas, such as the divinity of one God.

I'm not saying Mormons are aweful, but they shouldn't be considered as christians.