Why live at all?

[Asvin]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living." However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life? If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

 

[bhsmte]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living." However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life? If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

This whole; you can't live a purposeful life without God type of thing is not only boring, but has no evidence to support such a claim.

 

[Davian]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living."

It would seem not, if you are merely a cog in the machine of some deity. Why get out of bed?

However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life?

Atheism does not say what I am, but what I am not.

If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

There is me and those around me.

Are you trying to equate atheism and nihilism?

 

[quatona]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living." However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life?

I do, anticipating your kind permission.

If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

And, of course, all that should drive a person is avoiding the risk of there someone possibly nagging him. Without such a nagging person life is meaningless.

Where would that leave a God (assuming for a moment there exists such)? Where is this nagging authority to give His existence meaning?

 

[Savior2006]

Seems like another sad attempt to "deconstruct" atheists.

"You don't believe in God?"
"No."
"Then why not kill yourself?"
"Why would I kill myself?"
"Because of reasons...."
Alrighty then.

 

[variant]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living." However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life? If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

Why do you need someone else to be introspective?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Obviously, given Theism, the un-examined life is "not worth living." However, on atheism, who cares about examining one's own life? If in the end, a person could have done better by making better choices based upon introspection and such, then there is no one to nag you and ask "Why didn't you do that bro?"

Is God exempt from having to have this nagging voice in order to make his existence worthwhile?

 

[Chany]

Is God exempt from having to have this nagging voice in order to make his existence worthwhile?

Thank you.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Is God exempt from having to have this nagging voice in order to make his existence worthwhile?

Yes.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes.

Why? It sounds like special pleading to me.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

Why? It sounds like special pleading to me.

God is not dependent on anything outside of Himself for His existence. If He were, He would be less than God.

Label it what you will. God is the Greatest Conceivable Being.

Who is greater? One who is dependent upon something external to himself for his existence of One Who is dependent on none?

call Him asfas or lkjlj

label Him as whatever you wish but if in your mind asfas is the Greatest Conceivable Being then asfas exists necessarily not contingently.

God is the commonly used word and that is why i used it

 

[quatona]

God is not dependent on anything outside of Himself for His existence.

So it is possible to have a worthwhile existence without having an authority above oneself.
If there is no God, the meaning of our existence doesn´t depend on a God. That´s why being an atheist doesn´t prompt you to throw away your life as meaningless.
The thread question is answered. Thank you.

 

[Jeremy E Walker]

So it is possible to have a worthwhile existence without having an authority above oneself.

Bingo!

If there is no God, the meaning of our existence doesn´t depend on a God.

Precisely !!!!!!!!!!!!!

That´s why being an atheist doesn´t prompt you to throw away your life as meaningless.
The thread question is answered. Thank you.

you are right again. My goodness I am proud.


I do not think anyone throws away their life as being meaningless atheist or not.

You think your life is meaningful, its just that there is a small problem with that...

It is an exercise in self-delusion if God does not exist. If God does not exist, you exist for no reason or purpose that could be said to be rooted or grounded in something outside of yourself. You just exist like a rock or a moth or a piece of metal. You unlike they, can think and reason, but nothing and no one decided that you should think or reason. No one or nothing designed or made you to differ than they. You just are different than they in that respect. While you may think you are somehow better off for your ability to think and reason and this causes you to feel a certain way about yourself, these thoughts are just thoughts. They are by-products of socio-biological evolution like your hands or feet or teeth. You exist because you are the result of some natural occurrences that began a long time ago. No one decided or determined or planned that you were to be different than the worm. The worm is not deluded or deceived by ideas of greatness or significance like you are. But he is no better off or worse off than you. You and the tapeworm are one.

So when you speak of meaning and purpose you do so as a result of certain socio-biological processes interacting within your brain. These thoughts have no referent to anything outside of what brought you into existence. You exist in a closed system.

This is life if God does not exist. As long as you maintain God does not exist, you are speaking, thinking, living in a closed system. You, like the rock, will be forever bound inside this system as the mosquito was bound inside the fossilized tree sap on Jurassic Park. No scientist "out there" exists to stick his needle down into the amber to pull you out.

You just "are" until you "are no more".

 

[Jonah 1]

Why should you live at all? If you are going to die in the future, why live at all? Is it not better to end any instance of suffering?

Brother if Christians didn't hang around to help me find my way... it all falls apart. It's all about fellowship unfortunately. You and I are needed here to tell the next poor sap so he can make his choice.

Did Jonah get this? NO! he certainly did not,
but God made him do it anyway.

 

[Chany]

God is not dependent on anything outside of Himself for His existence. If He were, He would be less than God.

Label it what you will. God is the Greatest Conceivable Being.

Who is greater? One who is dependent upon something external to himself for his existence of One Who is dependent on none?

call Him asfas or lkjlj

label Him as whatever you wish but if in your mind asfas is the Greatest Conceivable Being then asfas exists necessarily not contingently.

God is the commonly used word and that is why i used it

Didn't answer the question. What is God's purpose? Why does he exist? What purpose does he serve?

 

[Ken-1122]

God is not dependent on anything outside of Himself for His existence. If He were, He would be less than God.

Label it what you will. God is the Greatest Conceivable Being.

Who is greater? One who is dependent upon something external to himself for his existence of One Who is dependent on none?

call Him asfas or lkjlj

label Him as whatever you wish but if in your mind asfas is the Greatest Conceivable Being then asfas exists necessarily not contingently.

God is the commonly used word and that is why i used it

The concept of God is only limited by the imagination of those who believe.

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

Bingo!



Precisely !!!!!!!!!!!!!





you are right again. My goodness I am proud.


I do not think anyone throws away their life as being meaningless atheist or not.

You think your life is meaningful, its just that there is a small problem with that...

It is an exercise in self-delusion if God does not exist. If God does not exist, you exist for no reason or purpose that could be said to be rooted or grounded in something outside of yourself. You just exist like a rock or a moth or a piece of metal. You unlike they, can think and reason, but nothing and no one decided that you should think or reason. No one or nothing designed or made you to differ than they. You just are different than they in that respect. While you may think you are somehow better off for your ability to think and reason and this causes you to feel a certain way about yourself, these thoughts are just thoughts. They are by-products of socio-biological evolution like your hands or feet or teeth. You exist because you are the result of some natural occurrences that began a long time ago. No one decided or determined or planned that you were to be different than the worm. The worm is not deluded or deceived by ideas of greatness or significance like you are. But he is no better off or worse off than you. You and the tapeworm are one.

So when you speak of meaning and purpose you do so as a result of certain socio-biological processes interacting within your brain. These thoughts have no referent to anything outside of what brought you into existence. You exist in a closed system.

This is life if God does not exist. As long as you maintain God does not exist, you are speaking, thinking, living in a closed system. You, like the rock, will be forever bound inside this system as the mosquito was bound inside the fossilized tree sap on Jurassic Park. No scientist "out there" exists to stick his needle down into the amber to pull you out.

You just "are" until you "are no more".

You did pretty good except for the part about existing in a closed system because my thoughts "have no reverent to anything outside of what brought me into existence." My thoughts come from within and they are limitless.
I agree I was not designed for a specific purpose, and my purpose in life is not rooted in something outside of myself; you just got a little off track with that “closed system” stuff.

Ken

 

[Davian]

...
You think your life is meaningful, its just that there is a small problem with that...

It is an exercise in self-delusion if God does not exist.
...

Why should I think gods exist? If there is no evidence for gods that does not have far more parsimonious explanations, it is not self-delusion.

 

[durangodawood]

You just "are" until you "are no more".

Nice!

But while you are.... why not be!

 

[ForJesusChrist]

Because life if a gift, a blessing, a moment to cherish, to love Christ and your family and friends, and to have fun!