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The text states otherwise: all whom the Father has given to JesusI just uploaded a video to YouTube explaining why John 6:37-40 can’t be interpreted to support eternal security and I’d really appreciate any comments or criticisms on my explanation both positive and negative.
The word eternal is describing what kind of life those who abide in Christ and endure to the end will receive. What about Paul’s statement in 2 Timothy 2:12?The text states otherwise: all whom the Father has given to Jesus
will come to him,
who will lose none who have been given to him,
whom will have eternal life.
Eternal life is eternal, it is not lost.
I'm sure you'll understand if I take Jesus at his word.
Yes, eternal life is about a quality of life as well as about a duration of life. It is God's (divine) life, which is not the same as human life.The word eternal is describing what kind of life those who abide in Christ and endure to the end will receive.
The faith of any who disown Christ is counterfeit faith, it is not saving faith.What about Paul’s statement in 2 Timothy 2:12?
Paul said “we” and “us” in that statement.Yes, eternal life is about a quality of life as well as about a duration of life. It is God's (divine) life, which is not the same as human life.
The faith of any who disown Christ is counterfeit faith, it is not saving faith.
How tormenting it must be to feel as though you have to walk on eggshells each day rather than trust in the finished work of Christ.I just uploaded a video to YouTube explaining why John 6:37-40 can’t be interpreted to support eternal security and I’d really appreciate any comments or criticisms on my explanation both positive and negative.
Why should I be afraid when my salvation only depends on whether or not I continue to cooperate with God? Adam was spiritually alive before he became spiritually dead. And James 5:19-20 also indicates that a believer can be in danger of the death of their soul.How tormenting it must be to feel as though you have to walk on eggshells each day rather than trust in the finished work of Christ.
A person can only be born physically once and a person can only be born spiritually once.
So you’re saying that Paul was uncertain of his salvation?Not all the "we" and "us" who profess saving faith actually possess saving faith.
I’d be more than happy if you would be so kind as to point out where exactly that I went wrong in my explanation in that video.How tormenting it must be to feel as though you have to walk on eggshells each day rather than trust in the finished work of Christ.
A person can only be born physically once and a person can only be born spiritually once.
No but can you answer the question please?Are you uncertain of yours?
Yes but my answer is based on my belief that I will never turn away from Christ or deny Him. That doesn’t mean that I’m not capable of turning away or denying Him. What Paul’s statement proves is that everyone including true believers are capable of turning away from Christ. That’s what 2 Timothy 2 is all about, it’s Paul explaining the importance of persevering which is precisely why he quoted Jesus from Matthew 10 because Jesus was giving the exact same message to His twelve disciples.It is the same as your answer to the same question about yourself.
Do you think Paul did not have the same belief?Yes but my answer is based on my belief that I will never turn away from Christ or deny Him. That doesn’t mean that I’m not capable of turning away or denying Him.
Are you not a true believer?What Paul’s statement proves is that everyone including true believers are capable of turning away from Christ.
Because warnings is one of the ways God keeps the elect from allowing their fallen nature to turn them away.That’s what 2 Timothy 2 is all about, it’s Paul explaining the importance of persevering which is precisely why he quoted Jesus from Matthew 10 because Jesus was giving the exact same message to His twelve disciples.
Ok now apply that line of reasoning to Luke 13:6-9.Do you think Paul did not have the same belief?
Do you think Paul was uncertain?
Are you not a true believer?
Does that not include you?
Actually, what Paul's statement shows is that warnings are one of the ways that God keeps believers from falling away.
That means that the choice of turning away and denying him never has any appeal to them and so they never choose to do so.
Those to whom falling away has appeal and who choose to do so are not born again and do not receive these persuading graces.
Because warnings is one of the ways God keeps the elect from allowing their fallen nature to turn them away.
The outcome (salvation) is not uncertain. . .where there is no fruit, there is no salvation.Ok now apply that line of reasoning to Luke 13:6-9.
“And He began telling this parable: “A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. And he said to the vineyard-keeper, ‘Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?’ And he answered and said to him, ‘Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.’ ””
Luke 13:6-9 NASB1995
Notice that despite Christ’s efforts to save the tree the outcome is still uncertain.
I’m surprised actually, I expected that you would have a problem with Jesus trying to save people who won’t be saved. I thought you held to the doctrine of irresistible grace.The outcome (salvation) is not uncertain. . .where there is no fruit, there is no salvation.
All the parable is talking about is the time frame for the fruit, without which fruit it is cut down.
Or one that is taking longer to come in, demonstrating that all do not come in the same amount of time.I’m surprised actually, I expected that you would have a problem with Jesus trying to save people who won’t be saved.
I don't find that phrase in the NT.I thought you held to the doctrine of irresistible grace.
It says if it bears fruit this year fine, if not cut it down. So it’s not a matter of the tree eventually producing fruit, it’s a matter of whether or not the tree produces fruit or if it is cut down.Or one that is taking longer to come in, demonstrating that all do not come in the same amount of time.
I don't find that phrase in the NT.
Nor do I find taking longer to come in to be contrary to election (Eph 1:4, Ro 8:29-30, 9:6-26, 11:5, 7, 28, 16:13, Col 3:12, 1 Th 1:4,
2 Th 2:13, Tit 1:1).
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