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Why Job suffered.

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by thankfulttt, May 8, 2018.

  1. thankfulttt

    thankfulttt Member

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    Job suffered because God is merciful, and used the rod of correction to bring Job back from the edge of the pit. Job had failed his second test.

    Job 9:33-35 Neither is there any daysman between us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me: Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.

    Job 13:20-22 Only do not two things unto me: then will I not hide myself from you. Withdraw your hand far from me: and let not your dread make me afraid. Then call, and I will answer: or let me speak, and answer me.

    Job 33:19-25 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain: So that his life abhors bread, and his soul dainty meat. His flesh is consumed away, that it cannot be seen; and his bones that were not seen stick out. Yea, his soul draws near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers. If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to show unto man his uprightness: Then he is gracious unto him, and says, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom. His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth:
     
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  2. JackRT

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    We must remember that Job is not a literal history but rather a sort of extended parable intended to convey a spiritual message. When we lose sight of that we also lose the message and depart into all sorts of speculation.
     
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  3. thankfulttt

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    There is no speculation here, just the facts. God would not have given us the father and descendants of Elihu if it was not to be taken literally.
     
  4. Doug Melven

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    God was truly merciful and gracious with Job, giving him double from what he started with.
     
  5. JackRT

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    Jesus was a consummate story teller in order to get his message across.
     
  6. St_Worm2

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    Hi Jack, who taught you that :scratch: Job hardly reads like a parable, and I've never heard of it not being considered historical.

    There is also the evidence from the NT, where St. James admonishes us in the same breath (so to speak) to look at both the prophets and Job as those who we count as "blessed" because they "endured". Surely you cannot believe that, "the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord", are also simply spiritualized stories of men w/no reality behind them .. or do you :scratch:

    James 5
    7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
    8 You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.
    9 Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing dright at the door.
    10 As an example, brethren, of suffering and patience, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.
    11 We count those blessed who endured. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord’s dealings, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.

    There is also the reminder of St. James that the outcome demonstrated how full of compassion and merciful the Lord truly is (and was towards Job), which takes this "story" out of the fable/myth/fiction category immediately, unless you believe St. James was wrong, of course.

    Yours and His,
    David
    p.s. - it seems to me that speculations abound whenever we choose to "spiritualize" things it the Bible, especially those things that were never meant to be ;)
     
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  7. JackRT

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    Was that really a sufficient compensation for losing his first wife and their children?
     
  8. Doug Melven

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    Job was real.
    Ezekiel 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
     
  9. Micah888

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    This is quite misleading and does not reflect what we read in Job at all. Quite the opposite.

    There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. (1:1).

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? (1:8)

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. (2:3)

    That would be a HUGE mistake. Read Ezekiel 14. Then James 5.
     
  10. redleghunter

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    What makes you think it can't be both?
     
  11. redleghunter

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    Not to mention James 5:11.
     
  12. Halbhh

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    God says Job was blameless, in chapter 1.

    Of course, His assessment is better than ours.

    Job's friends guess at sins, wrongly.

    Job is about how faith wins in the end.

    As Christ said, .Matthew 5:45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
     
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  13. Halbhh

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    Dp
     
  14. Halbhh

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  15. thankfulttt

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    What you have written is accurate. But Job fell after he was tested the second time.
     
  16. redleghunter

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    You might want to actually read Job. Satan saw fit to have Job's wife remain and become an advocate for him to curse God and be done with it.

    Then his wife said to him, "Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die!" (Job 2:9)
     
  17. thankfulttt

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    Job failed his second test and commenced his cursing.
     
  18. Halbhh

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    Notably , Job never once cursed God.

    He refused to, but instead only cursed the day he himself had been born.
     
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    No Job did not curse God in chapter three. But have you considered it odd that Job did curse?
    There was two tests that Job endured. Satan said that Job would not bless God to his face after the first test. But Satan was wrong, Job did bless God after the first test. And again Satan said Job would not bless God to his face after the second test. And this time Satan was right. Job did not bless God after the second test.

    The word translated curse in chapters one and two is the Hebrew word "barak" meaning to bless. When it appears with the Hebrew word "lo" it means bless not, or as translated in the English curse. The Hebrew words for curse in chapter three are not the same as found in chapter one and two.
     
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