Why isn't the Qur'an in chronological order?

[warghaha]

Warghaha said;
this is another issue and I have my reasons to believe what I'm believe now



Did you know that our reasons do not apply for God. God doesn't follow man's reasons, but everything he does is for his own glory.Only God knows what to do in any case, situation or life...not us.

You may think you are saved, but without Christ you are lost. Jesus offered up himself a sacrifice for sins and without pleading his blood and name to God, you have no reason to even go to God.

. I'm not try to impose my reasons on God. I think, it's clearly said that, I have my reason to embrace Islam. Just like you have your reason to have faith in the blood of Jesus as your sins atonement, I have my reason not to have faith on that.

So what role of the Father and Holy Ghost there? As a jury? But anyway, my judge should be the One and Only God, Allah, the Father


Jesus is God.

We can talk all day about this and I'm sure we'll never agree. So what left for me to say, hope you've peace in your life and afterlife. God bless you.

Salaam.

 

[warghaha]

Warghaha said;
Taken out of context because you take "Christ must be in you" for every verses that I'd posted. Actually, I'm talking, we can't be rewarded by the faith alone but faith+works. That's my context. We differ in context of only 'the faith'. Your faith is in the blood of Jesus. My faith is in One and Only God. So we have the same view on one way but differ in one way.


Christ died for you, Warghaha, not Muhammed. It is Jesus who gave HIS life so you could live forever in heaven. The Bible says that without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Without the living Lord Jesus in you, you will die and forever be lost.

When we looking back to OT, blood shedding is not the only way for sins atonement. And I believe this is completely off-topic.

So we can discuss this on another thread if you want. Not a debate, but a friendly discussion. I'm not so fond in debates as it brings more heat especially on religious issue. With discussion, we're more open to others opinions and whatnot, compared to debates where we want to win the debate.

Salaam.

 

[Ronnee743]

When we looking back to OT, blood shedding is not the only way for sins atonement. And I believe this is completely off-topic.

So we can discuss this on another thread if you want. Not a debate, but a friendly discussion. I'm not so fond in debates as it brings more heat especially on religious issue. With discussion, we're more open to others opinions and whatnot, compared to debates where we want to win the debate.

Salaam.

Well, if you want to start another thread...fine.... I will discuss with you. But the shedding of blood is necessary or no sins can be forgiven. God made this clear.

 

[warghaha]

Well, if you want to start another thread...fine.... I will discuss with you. But the shedding of blood is necessary or no sins can be forgiven. God made this clear.

Yep! Hope we have some times to discuss it. But not today.

 

[peaceinislam]

This refers to the RCC who baptizes babies. And I do not agree with anything the RCC does. I hope you don't either.

U need to respond to the points, not attack the one who said it. i could have just quoted another site.

God said in (Hosea 3.6 )My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Here God said if we reject knowledge of him he will forget our kids. Don't tell me that innocent children do not suffer in this world, even though they are innocent.

so do u believe babies are sinners?

2:286 Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which it hath deserved.
35:18 And no burdened soul can bear another's burden, and if one heavy laden crieth for (help with) his load, naught of it will be lifted even though he (unto whom he crieth) be of kin. Thou warnest only those who fear their Lord in secret, and have established worship. He who groweth (in goodness), groweth only for himself, (he cannot by his merit redeem others). Unto Allah is the journeying.

That is just. & So is this:

Ezekiel 18:4-29
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins shall die.
"If a man is righteous and does what is lawful and right--
walks in my statutes, and is careful to observe my ordinances--he is righteous, he shall surely live, says the Lord GOD.
"If he begets a son who is a robber, a shedder of blood,
lends at interest, and takes increase; shall he then live? He shall not live. He has done all these abominable things; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon himself.
"But if this man begets a son who sees all the sins which his father has done, and fears, and does not do likewise,
withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or increase, observes my ordinances, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father's iniquity; he shall surely live.
As for his father, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother, and did what is not good among his people, behold, he shall die for his iniquity.
"Yet you say, 'Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?'When the son has done what is lawful and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live.
The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
"But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness which he has done he shall live.
"Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?
When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die for it; for the iniquity which he has committed he shall die.
Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is lawful and right, he shall save his life.
Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?

But how is a baby a sinner to u then? How do babies redeem themselves? How is this just? What would the god of justice hold against them? I am not asking about dogma, just your sense.
god created man, who both errs & does good. Doesnt god know very well what he created? why would he hold against us what He himself has created? is this just? is it even logical?

67: 14-15 Should He not know what He created? And He is the Subtile, the Aware.
He it is Who hath made the earth subservient unto you, so Walk in the paths thereof and eat of His providence. And unto Him will be the resurrection (of the dead).

we are not lowly creatures. we have been honoured. we are all the children of the first prophet & human being - adam(p). how can any1 feel lowly when u have descended from a prophet? how is that possible?!! we are all capable of good.

17:70 Verily we have honoured the children of adam. We carry them on the land and the sea, and have made provision of good things for them, and have preferred them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment.

-peace.