Why isn't Eve made together with Adam?

[gluadys]

First of all, when God says it is not good for man to be alone, I don't believe he was just referring to a companion, as after Eve is created they are instructed to be fruitful and multiply.

Actually there is no command specifically to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.

 

[busterdog]

Ha ha ha.. Thanks for a crack.

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Dont be cheeky.

 

[juvenissun]

Actually there is no command specifically to Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.

Why do you say that?

[BIBLE] Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it ...[/BIBLE]

 

[Assyrian]

If so, then my question in the OP applied AGAIN. Why do we run in circles. Woman is uniquely made from the flesh of Adam and is made much later than Adam MUST have greater significance than animal creation, pair or not paired.

Certainly if you take the description as literal, the process is unique, (well at least among vertebrates, plants and bacteria can reproduce that way but that is a digression). However the meaning the story takes from it is not unique. Gen 29:14 and Laban said to him, "Surely you are my bone and my flesh!" And he stayed with him a month. Judges 9:2 "Say in the ears of all the leaders of Shechem, 'Which is better for you, that all seventy of the sons of Jerubbaal rule over you, or that one rule over you?' Remember also that I am your bone and your flesh." 2Sam 5:1 Then all the tribes of Israel came to David at Hebron and said, "Behold, we are your bone and flesh. 2Sam 19:13 And say to Amasa, 'Are you not my bone and my flesh? God do so to me and more also, if you are not commander of my army from now on in place of Joab.'" The bible does not treat Eve being bone of Adam's bone and flesh of his flesh as if it were unique. Nor does it treat their being bonded together as a pair as unique Isaiah 34:15 There the owl nests and lays and hatches and gathers her young in her shadow; indeed, there the hawks are gathered, each one with her mate. 16 Seek and read from the book of the LORD: Not one of these shall be missing; none shall be without her mate. For the mouth of the LORD has commanded, and his Spirit has gathered them. As we have seen 'be fruitful and multiply' was one of God's commands to mankind from the beginning and was give to other creatures too.

But your whole claim is based on the assumption the rib operation is literal. Just because the bible describes God performing a surgical procedure, it does not mean it is literal. After all has not God circumcised your heart? Hasn't he taken your heart of stone and replaced it with a heart of flesh? I can tell from the grace you show in your posts that he has. But was it a literal surgical procedure he performed?

 

[Assyrian]

Juv's point was that they are fundamentally different. Your comparison of position is obviously not the issue.

The missionary position is not mentioned in Genesis so our cousins the bonobo's love of the position is just an interesting aside. What is important is that the actual emphases in the Genesis account. Being fruitful and multiplying, is part of God creative plan for humans and animals. Becoming united as a pair is something we also share with many other species God created. Of course there are differences between man and animals in the Genesis account, we are the ones with God's breath in us, but our biology and sexual reproduction we share with other animals. We like to think Genesis makes an absolute distinction between man and animals, but in fact it describes us as another type of animal. Gen 2:7 describes the man God created was a 'living creature' that is the Hebrew term for animal and is used in Genesis for all the other animals God created too Gen 1:21,24 2:19.

Larvae? You are making my point by the extreme comparison.

Nah it is just a silly example, but it answered a silly question.

If the awareness of nakedness has nothing to do with sex, then I guess we not going to find common ground.

Haven't you read Genesis? Gen 2:25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

Cloths came in with guilt and shame. Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths. 8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself." 11 He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"

 

[juvenissun]

Nah it is just a silly example, but it answered a silly question.


Haven't you read Genesis? Gen 2:25 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

Cloths came in with guilt and shame. Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths. 8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself." 11 He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"

Now I am really confused.

Why would some people today exposed themselves and said: Look, I am beautiful, I am not ashamed/afraid?

 

[Assyrian]

I like what Busterdog said: Because Adam would become even better if he could extend his love someone else other than God. I don't think Adam is dumb. He followed Eve to eat the forbidden fruit is a genuine show of human love (I wonder why isn't there more discussion on this issue from Adam's point of view).

I remember hearing the suggestion that this makes Adam a type of Christ's choosing to identify with sinful humanity. Seemed pushing the point to me

 

[Beauty4Ashes]

Why do you say that?

[BIBLE] Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it ...[/BIBLE]

yea, I was kind of wondering about that myself.

 

[gluadys]

Why do you say that?

[BIBLE] Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it ...[/BIBLE]

In Genesis 1 we are not even told that God made a single couple of humans. For all we know from Genesis 1, God could have made a thousand people at once. All it tells us is that he made human beings and that he made them male and female.

Adam and Eve are not introduced until chapter 2 (and are not given names until still later). In chapter 2 where the creation of a woman is described, it is not followed by a command to be fruitful and multiply. So, in terms of Adam and Eve as a specific couple, there is no command to multiply. According to chapter 2, Eve was created to be Adam's companion and helper, so he would not be alone. Nothing said about any other purpose of marriage.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Another few very good questions. I have no clue on what to say (at least for now). The time restriction of one Day is a very good reminder.

Yes, I always wonder about why should it be the rib, a bone, instead of a piece of (important) meat somewhere like the heart or the brain. Yes, the function of rib is to protect. Right, OWG? But, who protects who?

Sorry to be mysterious, but I'd rather someone else post the most important meanings of Eve's creation.

The rib is one of the few bones that can be removed from a person without either crippling or handicapping them in some substantial way. So while it doesn't do great damage it does weaken him slightly. So if God had(metaphorically of course) removed any other bone Adam would need substantial help to compensate for his loss. This was not God's intention but rather to cause a slight need and discomfort in exchange for a much greater compensation than the small loss incurred. In other words God blessed Adam, but not without some cost to him. Adam gained much more than he gave up.

The closing up of the flesh clearly means that Eve was the only wife Adam was going be given by God, even though he had a bunch of ribs left. Removal of others by Adam himself (metaphorical divorce and remarriage) would weaken him greatly physically, and leave his heart less protected. Yup, the rib cage protects the inward parts, and yes, I believe women should be about the business of protecting the fragile, and often volatile, hearts (emotions) of men instead of manipulating them as they do.

owg

 

[Jerrell]

This link http://fishdontwalk.com/ made me realize this question:

Animals were made in pairs so they could reproduce. For example, two chicken were made on day 5. But Adam is made alone and it remains that way for a while. And, strange enough, the reason that Eve is made is apparently not emphasized on reproduction.

First, I do not understand why. Second, it is possible that Adam and Eve may not have children in the Garden, because it is not the purpose of the existence of Eve.

Unless, animals do not reproduce either in the Garden, and they do not die before the fall.

** Sorry, I miss typed the title. It should be "Why isn't ..." **

Every Detail is not recorded in the bible. Alot of details are left out for the sake of length. Did animals reproduce in the garden? I think they probably did. However apart from what the Bible mentions the Ancient Jewish theologians go on to write in a Madrith (i beleive that spelling is right), that Adam was created together with Lilith, the real first woman. However this is not biblical. So, to really think Eve was created to be Adam's wife, the "cause" or "meaning" of life is reproduction. Let's also keep in mind God has a reason for waiting sometimes. Perhaps he wanted to see what Adam was going to do first. But be careful not to read into the bible what isn't there.

 

[Assyrian]

Sorry to be mysterious, but I'd rather someone else post the most important meanings of Eve's creation.

The rib is one of the few bones that can be removed from a person without either crippling or handicapping them in some substantial way. So while it doesn't do great damage it does weaken him slightly. So if God had(metaphorically of course) removed any other bone Adam would need substantial help to compensate for his loss. This was not God's intention but rather to cause a slight need and discomfort in exchange for a much greater compensation than the small loss incurred. In other words God blessed Adam, but not without some cost to him. Adam gained much more than he gave up.

The closing up of the flesh clearly means that Eve was the only wife Adam was going be given by God, even though he had a bunch of ribs left. Removal of others by Adam himself (metaphorical divorce and remarriage) would weaken him greatly physically, and leave his heart less protected. Yup, the rib cage protects the inward parts, and yes, I believe women should be about the business of protecting the fragile, and often volatile, hearts (emotions) of men instead of manipulating them as they do.

owg

I suppose the coccyx would not have been very appropriate... Good points though. I am just not sure of the love means being a bit uncomfortable. Biblical love is much more demanding. Which makes me wonder if there is a deeper symbolism hidden here... I am thinking of someone else who gained his bride through a deep wound in his side.

 

[juvenissun]

In Genesis 1 we are not even told that God made a single couple of humans. For all we know from Genesis 1, God could have made a thousand people at once. All it tells us is that he made human beings and that he made them male and female.

Adam and Eve are not introduced until chapter 2 (and are not given names until still later). In chapter 2 where the creation of a woman is described, it is not followed by a command to be fruitful and multiply. So, in terms of Adam and Eve as a specific couple, there is no command to multiply. According to chapter 2, Eve was created to be Adam's companion and helper, so he would not be alone. Nothing said about any other purpose of marriage.

Thanks. Basically, you summarized my original thought in this thread.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I suppose the coccyx would not have been very appropriate... Good points though. I am just not sure of the love means being a bit uncomfortable. Biblical love is much more demanding. Which makes me wonder if there is a deeper symbolism hidden here... I am thinking of someone else who gained his bride through a deep wound in his side.

Agreed.

owg

 

[Terral]

Hi Juvenissun:

This link http://fishdontwalk.com/ made me realize this question:

Animals were made in pairs so they could reproduce. For example, two chicken were made on day 5. But Adam is made alone and it remains that way for a while. And, strange enough, the reason that Eve is made is apparently not emphasized on reproduction.

First off, your Opening Post contains no question (?) marks concerning Adam, Eve or anyone else, so answering questions in this reply will be a bit difficult. :0) Adam was formed as a Singularity Expression in Genesis 2:7 on this ‘seventh day’ to represent the pre-fall “Earth” universe of Genesis 1:1. The Lord God (Christ = F+S+HS) formed His “son of God” (Luke 3:38) with Eve (water witness = helper) and ‘her seed’ (blood witness) “IN” him, so that ‘the three are into the one’ (1Jn 5:8) in the exact pattern of the Father (spirit witness), Son (blood witness) and Holy Spirit (water witness “Helper” like Eve). This means that Adam is the ‘incarnation’ of this entire universe (heavens, heaven and earth) in one ‘man sent from God’ in the same exact way that Jesus Christ is the ‘incarnation’ of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (diagram), so that “the three are into the One” as God’s Living “Word” (John 1:1-3, 14). This means that Adam existed as “One” perfect “son of God” for a very long time (Gen. 2:7-2:22) with Eve and her seed “IN” him in the same way that “The Earth” of Genesis 1:1 existed for a VERY long time ‘before’ this universe became “formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the waters.” Gen. 1:2. A better understanding of my views on this topic can be gathered by reading my Opening Post entitled “The Big Bang Theory Of Creation is A MYTH” (link).

First, I do not understand why. Second, it is possible that Adam and Eve may not have children in the Garden, because it is not the purpose of the existence of Eve.

Eve (water witness helper) is the inward part of Adam (spirit witness) joined together to become ‘one’ flesh, so ‘her seed’ (only begotten blood witness) could populate the land of the garden; which is the “Promised Land” described in Genesis 15:18 and the “Kingdom” of Ezekiel 47-48, even if this only represents the ‘water witness’ helper with a heavens (spirit) and heaven (blood) counterpart shown here. The “Tabernacle of David” (Acts 15:16-18) is in reality the “Tabernacle of Adam” (diagram = far left) that has fallen, but is about to be restored and rebuilt right along with ‘all things’ of Matthew 17:10-11 and Acts 3:21 by Elijah as the “prophet” of Acts 3:22-23.

Eve is typical of ‘the earth’ (lower waters of Gen. 1:6-8 and earth of 2Peter 3:5) being subjected to futility in hope (Rom 8:20), from her ‘water witness’ (image of man) relationship with Adam; just like Adam is also being subjected to futility in the same ‘hope’ from his ‘water witness’ (diagram) relationship with God and The Word (Christ = F+S+HS). You can gain some understanding on how these types are expressed and fulfilled in Scripture by reading my OP on how my mystery diagrams work (here), but ‘only’ if God Himself causes the growth. 1Corinthians 3:6-7.

Unless, animals do not reproduce either in the Garden, and they do not die before the fall.

Many believe the ‘garden’ of Genesis 2:8 is a literal earthly garden with fruits and vegetables, when that is NOT the case at all. Adam ‘and’ the Garden were created in ‘Singularity Expression’ form, as the ‘son of God’ was made for the Garden and the Garden was made for the ‘son of man’ representing this entire universe (heavens, heaven and earth) as the “man of the earth” sent from God to testify about “The Light” of Genesis 1:3. The animals that Adam named (Gen. 2:19), ‘before’ Eve was taken from his side, have heavenly counterparts representing the members of Adam’s body; just like everyone else who died IN him (1Cor. 15:22). The birds of the air (spirit witnesses like the angels) and the fish of the sea (water witnesses like men) and the beasts of the field (blood witnesses like those made immortal = 1Cor. 15:51-53) represents ‘three into the one’ (1Jn 5:8) witnesses all testifying to the Singularity Expression hosts from the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1; just like their angel (spirit witness), man (blood witness) and woman (water witness) counterparts making up the human races upon this earth. In other words, for every three witness mystery set (diagram and diagram) there is a Singularity Expression Host in God’s Infinite Realm (diagram* = far left where “you are gods”) ‘and’ another set in the Word Realm (Fig 2*) testifying to the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water witness Helper). Therefore, Eve and the animals becoming ‘water witness’ representatives of heavens and heaven hosts has more to do with the incarnation of Infinite Realm (spirit witness) and Word Realm (blood witness) Hosts than the mere reproduction of human or animal species on this planet. In other words, God threw Satan out of His Infinite Realm (diagram) ‘and’ Michael the Archangel threw the Dragon down out of ‘Heaven’ (Gen. 1:1 = Highest Heaven of 1Kings 8:27), so his demise in this Adamic Realm (Rev. 20:10) will be ‘strike three and you are OUT!’ :0)

Most everyone wants to give Adam a bad reputation over ‘the fall,’ when Scripture declares, “And it was NOT Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” 1Tim. 2:14. People also fail to realize that while “IN Christ all will be made alive” that “IN Adam ALL DIE,” which makes these same hosts the members of “Adam’s Body” right up until they become members of “Christ’s Body” (1Cor. 12:27) as the “Last Adam.” 1Cor. 15:45. In short, very few realize that the “prophet” of Acts 3:22-23 coming to restore ‘all things’ is none other than our father Adam who just happens to be the incarnation of Joshua (deliverer), Abraham (father), David (king), Elijah (prophet) and John the Baptist (priest) all rolled into the ‘one.’ :0) Noah, Sarah, Moses and Bathsheba are all ‘skins’ (Gen. 3:21) for your mother Eve in the very same way, but again, ONLY if you have eyes from God to see. This is the very reason that Elijah (Adam = spirit witness) and Moses (Eve = water witness) are standing and testifying with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1-8 = diagram), because Adam represents all the angels ‘and’ all men are baptized into Moses (1Cor. 10:1-4); because Eve is the mother of “all the living.” Genesis 3:20. Elijah returning to restore the hearts of the fathers to children (Mal. 4:5-6) is Adam coming to restore the “Relationship of Innocence” between the hosts of men and the Lord God (Christ) that he (son of God) had with his “Eternal Father” (Isa. 9:6) way back in the Garden in Genesis 2. Elijah (Adam) coming to restore the hearts of the children to their fathers (Mal. 4:5-6 again) is rejoining one angel (spirit witness) and one man (water witness) into an ‘immortal soul,’ just like the perfect hosts of Genesis 1:1; which is what the ‘restoration of ALL THINGS’ (Acts 3:21) is all about . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[marktheblake]

Every Detail is not recorded in the bible. Alot of details are left out for the sake of length.

I don't concur with that. The details that were recorded were for a specific reason, to teach us something. ie typology.

Whilst it would have been really cool to know what Adam was like, what sort of things did he invent, and what relationship he had with his descendants. However it seems none of that has any prophetic meaning.

Oh, to answer the original question, there has to a significant reason for Eve to have been created after (though probably still on Day 6) Adam that is meant to be a teaching or prophecy for us to understand. Personally I dunno, but I seriously doubt God did it as an afterthought.

 

[gluadys]

Oh, to answer the original question, there has to a significant reason for Eve to have been created after (though probably still on Day 6) Adam that is meant to be a teaching or prophecy for us to understand. Personally I dunno, but I seriously doubt God did it as an afterthought.

Yet that is pretty much how the text presents it. Do your conceptions of what is appropriate for God influence whether you find the witness of scripture acceptable?

 

[juvenissun]

Hi Juvenissun:



First off, your Opening Post contains no question (?) marks concerning Adam, Eve or anyone else, so answering questions in this reply will be a bit difficult. :0) Adam was formed as a Singularity Expression in Genesis 2:7 on this ‘seventh day’ to represent the pre-fall “Earth” universe of Genesis 1:1. The Lord God (Christ = F+S+HS) formed His “son of God” (Luke 3:38) with Eve (water witness = helper) and ‘her seed’ (blood witness) “IN” him, so that ‘the three are into the one’ (1Jn 5:8) in the exact pattern of the Father (spirit witness), Son (blood witness) and Holy Spirit (water witness “Helper” like Eve). This means that Adam is the ‘incarnation’ of this entire universe (heavens, heaven and earth) in one ‘man sent from God’ in the same exact way that Jesus Christ is the ‘incarnation’ of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (diagram), so that “the three are into the One” as God’s Living “Word” (John 1:1-3, 14). This means that Adam existed as “One” perfect “son of God” for a very long time (Gen. 2:7-2:22) with Eve and her seed “IN” him in the same way that “The Earth” of Genesis 1:1 existed for a VERY long time ‘before’ this universe became “formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the waters.” Gen. 1:2. A better understanding of my views on this topic can be gathered by reading my Opening Post entitled “The Big Bang Theory Of Creation is A MYTH” (link).



Eve (water witness helper) is the inward part of Adam (spirit witness) joined together to become ‘one’ flesh, so ‘her seed’ (only begotten blood witness) could populate the land of the garden; which is the “Promised Land” described in Genesis 15:18 and the “Kingdom” of Ezekiel 47-48, even if this only represents the ‘water witness’ helper with a heavens (spirit) and heaven (blood) counterpart shown here. The “Tabernacle of David” (Acts 15:16-18) is in reality the “Tabernacle of Adam” (diagram = far left) that has fallen, but is about to be restored and rebuilt right along with ‘all things’ of Matthew 17:10-11 and Acts 3:21 by Elijah as the “prophet” of Acts 3:22-23.

Eve is typical of ‘the earth’ (lower waters of Gen. 1:6-8 and earth of 2Peter 3:5) being subjected to futility in hope (Rom 8:20), from her ‘water witness’ (image of man) relationship with Adam; just like Adam is also being subjected to futility in the same ‘hope’ from his ‘water witness’ (diagram) relationship with God and The Word (Christ = F+S+HS). You can gain some understanding on how these types are expressed and fulfilled in Scripture by reading my OP on how my mystery diagrams work (here), but ‘only’ if God Himself causes the growth. 1Corinthians 3:6-7.



Many believe the ‘garden’ of Genesis 2:8 is a literal earthly garden with fruits and vegetables, when that is NOT the case at all. Adam ‘and’ the Garden were created in ‘Singularity Expression’ form, as the ‘son of God’ was made for the Garden and the Garden was made for the ‘son of man’ representing this entire universe (heavens, heaven and earth) as the “man of the earth” sent from God to testify about “The Light” of Genesis 1:3. The animals that Adam named (Gen. 2:19), ‘before’ Eve was taken from his side, have heavenly counterparts representing the members of Adam’s body; just like everyone else who died IN him (1Cor. 15:22). The birds of the air (spirit witnesses like the angels) and the fish of the sea (water witnesses like men) and the beasts of the field (blood witnesses like those made immortal = 1Cor. 15:51-53) represents ‘three into the one’ (1Jn 5:8) witnesses all testifying to the Singularity Expression hosts from the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1; just like their angel (spirit witness), man (blood witness) and woman (water witness) counterparts making up the human races upon this earth. In other words, for every three witness mystery set (diagram and diagram) there is a Singularity Expression Host in God’s Infinite Realm (diagram* = far left where “you are gods”) ‘and’ another set in the Word Realm (Fig 2*) testifying to the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water witness Helper). Therefore, Eve and the animals becoming ‘water witness’ representatives of heavens and heaven hosts has more to do with the incarnation of Infinite Realm (spirit witness) and Word Realm (blood witness) Hosts than the mere reproduction of human or animal species on this planet. In other words, God threw Satan out of His Infinite Realm (diagram) ‘and’ Michael the Archangel threw the Dragon down out of ‘Heaven’ (Gen. 1:1 = Highest Heaven of 1Kings 8:27), so his demise in this Adamic Realm (Rev. 20:10) will be ‘strike three and you are OUT!’ :0)

Most everyone wants to give Adam a bad reputation over ‘the fall,’ when Scripture declares, “And it was NOT Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” 1Tim. 2:14. People also fail to realize that while “IN Christ all will be made alive” that “IN Adam ALL DIE,” which makes these same hosts the members of “Adam’s Body” right up until they become members of “Christ’s Body” (1Cor. 12:27) as the “Last Adam.” 1Cor. 15:45. In short, very few realize that the “prophet” of Acts 3:22-23 coming to restore ‘all things’ is none other than our father Adam who just happens to be the incarnation of Joshua (deliverer), Abraham (father), David (king), Elijah (prophet) and John the Baptist (priest) all rolled into the ‘one.’ :0) Noah, Sarah, Moses and Bathsheba are all ‘skins’ (Gen. 3:21) for your mother Eve in the very same way, but again, ONLY if you have eyes from God to see. This is the very reason that Elijah (Adam = spirit witness) and Moses (Eve = water witness) are standing and testifying with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17:1-8 = diagram), because Adam represents all the angels ‘and’ all men are baptized into Moses (1Cor. 10:1-4); because Eve is the mother of “all the living.” Genesis 3:20. Elijah returning to restore the hearts of the fathers to children (Mal. 4:5-6) is Adam coming to restore the “Relationship of Innocence” between the hosts of men and the Lord God (Christ) that he (son of God) had with his “Eternal Father” (Isa. 9:6) way back in the Garden in Genesis 2. Elijah (Adam) coming to restore the hearts of the children to their fathers (Mal. 4:5-6 again) is rejoining one angel (spirit witness) and one man (water witness) into an ‘immortal soul,’ just like the perfect hosts of Genesis 1:1; which is what the ‘restoration of ALL THINGS’ (Acts 3:21) is all about . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Thanks for taking the trouble to type so much. You are all over the Bible and many of what you said are new to me. It would take me sometime to think about them. Thanks again.