Why Isn't Communism as Hated as Nazism?

[grasping the after wind]

You can, of course think that if you'd like.
tulc(doesn't think you're right, but thinks you should feel free to believe it if it makes you feel better)

So you have no actual rebuttal then.

 

[tulc]

So you have no actual rebuttal then.

I didn't think I had to rebut someones opinion.
tulc(thought that's how opinions worked, they're like noses: everyone picks their own)

 

[rjs330]

A true communist society requires human beings to become something they are not. It is not just that people need to not be motivated by money. In communist utopia nobody requires any motivation of any kind. Everyone works for the benefit of all and no one becomes resentful if they see themselves doing more than others. That is the basic fallacy of communism i.e. believing that people are not competitive and never take advantage of others. The communist story of the Little Red Hen ends with the Little Red Hen telling her comrades how delighted she is to give them all the fruits of her labor while she receives nothing from them in return. In reality communism ( as opposed to fantasy communism which some call real communism.) brute force is the motivator for all.

Very well said. It also should be noted that not only does the utopia have no one being resentful of doing more, no one tries to do less either. We all work for he common good and everyone works hard at whatever task they are assigned. Which is also something human beings are not good at.

 

[abysmul]

The fight against Nazism was romanticized in film and television and literature, FAR more than the fight against communism.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Basic answer is that people have no understanding of communism or fascism.

What they know is this: fascist is an insult, and communism means that things would be like the song "Imagine" (which actually means less than it initially would appear, because most people don't know the lyrics to "Imagine.")

 

[MoonlessNight]

A true communist society requires human beings to become something they are not. It is not just that people need to not be motivated by money. In communist utopia nobody requires any motivation of any kind. Everyone works for the benefit of all and no one becomes resentful if they see themselves doing more than others. That is the basic fallacy of communism i.e. believing that people are not competitive and never take advantage of others. The communist story of the Little Red Hen ends with the Little Red Hen telling her comrades how delighted she is to give them all the fruits of her labor while she receives nothing from them in return. In reality communism ( as opposed to fantasy communism which some call real communism.) brute force is the motivator for all.

Whenever someone says "communism would be great just as long as people were ideal people who didn't ruin it" it always makes me think of how someone would react to the claim that "the Third Reich would be great as long as there weren't inferior races around to make it weak."

What matters is what the ideologies do in practice. And in practice both Nazism and Communism result in piles of corpses.

 

[rjs330]

I think a great deal of this lies at the feet of our education system. For some reason it's easier to instill in young heads full of mush the evils of the Nazis, than it is to fill them full of the evils of communism. Communism has killed more than twice as many people than Nazis ever did.

I think it's because in the Halls of acedemia they love the communist idea. Never mind the fact that it hasn't worked any where it's been tried.

 

[Weight Loss Helper]

True.

At the end of the day, Communism looks to power, where democracy looks to rule of law.

Communism kills. It's designed to do so.

Democracy eventually leads to tyranny as well. Jesus was put to the cross during a democratic process when Pontius Pilot asked the Jews to decide whether to free him or not. A republic is rule of law (example being the constitutional republic of the United States of America).

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Democracy eventually leads to tyranny as well. Jesus was put to the cross during a democratic process when Pontius Pilot asked the Jews to decide whether to free him or not. A republic is rule of law (example being the constitutional republic of the United States of America).

Was justice done in the case of Christ? No. Therefore your attempt at smearing democracy by an example which is inconsistent with rule of law does not disprove rule of law, but proves it.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Something else that has occurred to me is that all this talk of how "communism would work with an ideal populace" only serves to make the situation worse. This is because when communism inevitably fails, and it always does, the question becomes why. If it would work with the right people then obviously communism itself isn't to blame, which means that some one is to blame. And then the natural thing to do is to figure out who is to blame and to eliminate them (which if you are lucky will mean exile or imprisonment, but in many cases means death). And indeed we see again and again in communist nations a never ending string of villains who are trotted out as the ones really responsible for the poor harvests, product shortages, abysmal morale, etc.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Was justice done in the case of Christ? No. Therefore your attempt at smearing democracy by an example which is inconsistent with rule of law does not disprove rule of law, but proves it.

Democracy, at its core, says that law is justified by the assent of the people. If you believe that law gains its authority from another source, you are not firmly committed to democracy, and view it as best a convenient situation of affairs.

I don't mean this as a criticism. I think that's the correct view to have; obviously laws that are based on popular opinion alone have no moral weight to them. But in most theories of democracy, that's exactly why they have weight in that sort of government.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Democracy, at its core, says that law is justified by the assent of the people. If you believe that law gains its authority from another source, you are not firmly committed to democracy, and view it as best a convenient situation of affairs.

I don't mean this as a criticism. I think that's the correct view to have; obviously laws that are based on popular opinion alone have no moral weight to them. But in most theories of democracy, that's exactly why they have weight in that sort of government.

Representative republic.

 

[Albion]

The reason people hate Naziism but not Communism is because there are precious few apologists for Naziism aside from a tiny handful of cults like the one shown in the Blues Brothers movie. Meanwhile, on the Communist side there are innumerable apologists for Communism and Socialism, all telling us that it really has wonderful goals and ideals and, of course, when it comes to our own country it won't be anything like Stalinism.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The reason people hate Naziism but not Communism is because there are few apologists fcor Naziism aside from a few and tiny cults like the one shown in the Blues Brothers movie. Meanwhile, on the Communist side there are innumerable apologists for Communism and Socialism, all telling us that it really has wonderful goals and ideals and, of course, when it comes to our own country it won't be anything like Stalinism.

Good point.

 

[Weight Loss Helper]

Was justice done in the case of Christ? No. Therefore your attempt at smearing democracy by an example which is inconsistent with rule of law does not disprove rule of law, but proves it.

I'm not trying to "smear democracy", but I've read a lot of very convincing quotes from the founding fathers about how democracy leads to tyranny. This has become even more evident to me since becoming a Christian and watching the Godless left spin further into lunacy and upside-down reality.

In a pure democracy it only takes 51% of the people to override God-given rights such as those in the bill of rights. It seems like the bill of rights was created (as law) to prevent democracy from voting out these "unalienable rights"

 

[jgarden]

1. Nazi Germany hated Communist Russia far more than the Western democracies ever have, which explains why it attempted to invade the USSR in 1941.

2. The Western democracies have never had a direct conflict with Russia - they have limited their adversarial roles to proxy-conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, .....

3. Russia was an ally in WW2, and America sent it 1000's of trucks - its not smart to demonize and ally, no matter how much you make dislike it under different circumstances.

4. During the Cold War, Americans tended to view the Russian people as victims of communism - Nazi Germany on the other hand viewed the Slavs as racially inferior, occupying land that should belong to the racially superior Aryans.

5. Stalin was provably worse than Hitler, but most of activities occurred in secret, behind the Iron Curtain so it was much more difficult to document his atrocities.

6. In should be noted that while communist Russia was officially atheist, much of the Nazi leadership considered themselves to be good Christians!

God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save Germany.
- Hermann Göring

Has there ever been a mortal as beloved as you, my Fuhrer? Was there ever belief as strong as the belief in your mission? You were sent us by God for Germany!
- Hermann Göring

With all our powers we will endeavour to be worthy of the Fuhrer thou, O Lord, has sent us!
- Rudolf Hess, address to political leaders, Munich, 21 April 1938

I swear before God this holy oath, that I shall give absolute confidence to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people.
- Heinrich Himmler, the oath taken by all SS men as well as by the military forces (The mass murderer Himmler got brought up as a devout Catholic, like young Hitler, and was careful to attend mass regularly)

We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Fuhrer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty.
- Joseph Goebbels, in a radio broadcast, 19 April 1936 (The pious Catholic parents of Joseph Goebbels raised him and his two brothers in that faith. He spoke of Hitler as “either Christ or St. John.” “Hitler, I love you!” he wrote in his diary.)

May God save Germany!
- Joachim Ribbentrop, his last words before his hanging

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I'm not trying to "smear democracy", but I've read a lot of very convincing quotes from the founding fathers about how democracy leads to tyranny. This has become even more evident to me since becoming a Christian and watching the Godless left spin further into lunacy and upside-down reality.

In a pure democracy it only takes 51% of the people to override God-given rights such as those in the bill of rights. It seems like the bill of rights was created (as law) to prevent democracy from voting out these "unalienable rights"

We, in the US, don't live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic, and I believe 2/3 of both house and senate are need to mess with the BoR.

 

[jgarden]

We, in the US, don't live in a democracy. We live in a representative republic, and I believe 2/3 of both house and senate are need to mess with the BoR.

Obviously "jimmyjimmy's" parents have been remiss in his formal education and letting him stay up past his bedtime!