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Why Islam?

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Shay2005 said:
Mine is the Torah and I think theres is the Quran.

No need to get upset if you know you are right, right??? Is this how all Christians act when they try to make up claims to prove that others are wrong to justify their religion??

About the chapter in Isaiah go to:

http://jewsforjudaism.com/web/faq/faq-ss.html

Oh course you will want to believe that Isaiah applies to Christ.....Christ is your "god" Send me the 161 prophecies you have. I would be interested in seeing them.

Also we read the passage Isaiah in our congregation just like you:)

My pathetic situation?? I believe, worship and Pray to G-d unlike you who worship foreign gods such as Jesus, Buddha and whoever else.

Shay2005, I would like to know how you and your congretation interpret the entire chapter of Isiah 53?. Who is it referring to?
 
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Hello Shay,
thanks for your posts. but this thread is a question to muslims about Islam.
if you want to know why christianity, you can simply click on new topic and create a new thread.
i am sorry but i don't like to change the subject in this thread.
thanks for your coop.

Hello Noor and every muslim brother
still waiting for a reply to why Islam.
why Quran says "if any one seeks anything But Islam will be looser" ? and why I will get killed or have to pay Jizya if i didn't become a muslim.
what's the reasons for this?
btw,
Allahu Akbar!! G-D is GREAT!

means Allah is "greater than"! or Allah and Akbar [that was a *god* at the time of Muhmaed Arabs were worshipping.]
Allahu Akbar doesn't mean God is Great or God is the Greatest.
if it was so, it should've been "Allahu Al-Akbar"
ciao
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Shay2005 said:
Mine is the Torah and I think theres is the Quran.

No need to get upset if you know you are right, right??? Is this how all Christians act when they try to make up claims to prove that others are wrong to justify their religion??

About the chapter in Isaiah go to:

http://jewsforjudaism.com/web/faq/faq-ss.html

Oh course you will want to believe that Isaiah applies to Christ.....Christ is your "god" Send me the 161 prophecies you have. I would be interested in seeing them.

Also we read the passage Isaiah in our congregation just like you:)

My pathetic situation?? I believe, worship and Pray to G-d unlike you who worship foreign gods such as Jesus, Buddha and whoever else.
Again, CLAIMS... CLAIMS....... CLAIMS.....

This is the most important problem for Christians facing Jews and Muslims. The infinite number of claims without any proof is a major problem.

My dear, what I have asked you? Please prove how Isaiah 53 would be applicable to Israel? To answer, you just gave link to a website where Jews claimed that "that rabbi told like that...", "origen commented like that.....", etc. Is it an answer? Please don't beat around the bush. My question is sharp-pointed without any room for doubt or bluffing. It is not a vague sentence or meaningless phrase, BUT a full chapter! I want to know how it would be applicable to Israel personified?

You could give links, no problem. But the answer must be specific. Suppose take a verse 53:5: "We got healed by his wounds". My question is:
What is the wound of Israel?
Who was healed by the wounds of Israel?
When Israel got wounds?
For what pupose, Israel got wounds?
Who gave wounds to Israel?

See, the questions are pinpointed, no room for bluffing. I know the standard of some "scholars". I don't like to believe everything what others say. Could you give me the answer? If yes, please give. Otherwise, please keep your mouth shut. Just my half an hour..

But I found some discussions about Isaiah 53 in a website called www.yashanet.org

please refer.

sijo
 
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peaceful soul said:
Sijo, those 1st two posts (#34,#35) are very telling in my mind. Very awesome analysis. This is the meat and potatoes of what both Muslims and Christians have to deal with. It is easy for Muslims to make statements about Qu'ran and Islam without looking at the substance of Christianity. That was the basis of a thread that I questioned them on. They point to Qu'ran because they have to in order to save their face, which is what one does in absence of truth. They think that truth is relative, but yet not relative. It is relative when we point out points about Bible that logically invalidate their claim of truth and they claim things are not relative when the point favors Islam. Although that is not true for every single Muslim, it appears to be dominant in how they approach issues.
Exactly, and the prime example is their argument Jesus was not crucified even though at least three non-Christian historians said he was. The only Muslim argument?

"Muhammed said he wasn't so it must be so."

Unbelievable.

Rad
 
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sijo said:
Again, CLAIMS... CLAIMS....... CLAIMS.....

This is the most important problem for Christians facing Jews and Muslims. The infinite number of claims without any proof is a major problem.

My dear, what I have asked you? Please prove how Isaiah 53 would be applicable to Israel? To answer, you just gave link to a website where Jews claimed that "that rabbi told like that...", "origen commented like that.....", etc. Is it an answer? Please don't beat around the bush. My question is sharp-pointed without any room for doubt or bluffing. It is not a vague sentence or meaningless phrase, BUT a full chapter! I want to know how it would be applicable to Israel personified?

You could give links, no problem. But the answer must be specific. Suppose take a verse 53:5: "We got healed by his wounds". My question is:
What is the wound of Israel?
Who was healed by the wounds of Israel?
When Israel got wounds?
For what pupose, Israel got wounds?
Who gave wounds to Israel?

See, the questions are pinpointed, no room for bluffing. I know the standard of some "scholars". I don't like to believe everything what others say. Could you give me the answer? If yes, please give. Otherwise, please keep your mouth shut. Just my half an hour..

But I found some discussions about Isaiah 53 in a website called www.yashanet.org

please refer.

sijo
OK. Give me proof that that verse refers to Christ. Give me some proof other than the New Testament. Because I understand that of course your Bible would say that refers to Christ and that Christ did all that. But how do you really know?? Give me proof. Someone could have made up that Christ did that stuff, created chapters and inserted them into the Bible and called it the "New Testament" You screaming for proof from me.....how about your proof?? Where is it???

To answer your questions above.......all you have to do is read the Torah(Old Testament) and it provides all the answers to your questions.:) Just read it and Pray to G-d and He will reveil them to you. Trust me it's in His Word if you would stop focusing on Christ and focus more on G-d.
 
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Hello Sijo and Shay
thanks for your posts. but this thread is a question to muslims about Islam.
if you want to know why christianity, you can simply click on new topic and create a new thread.
i am sorry but i don't like to change the subject in this thread.
thanks for your coop.
Thanks for your co-op.
nmII
 
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Any answer from muslims to tell me why did the Quran said the following:

Surah 3 [19] The religion before Allah is Islam: nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.

Surah 3 [85] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost. ??

any reason why is that?
thanks
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Hmmm.gif
any answer??
please?

may be Saffeya would like to comment, if you are not tired...;)
it's a question about Islam as you can see, nothing about jews...

waiting for an answer from a muslim...
thanks a lot for your co-operation...
nmII
 
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hello Rahma,
when I saw your name, i thought i will read an answer to my question...
but i didn't find any...

so, do you have an answer to that question? Why Islam?

about Hur and 72, there's no number... it will be raining Hurs, not only 72, and you can check Quran interpretation ...
but this is not the subject [number of Hur in Junna]

my question is why should I as a christian, become a muslim, and if i didn't, i will be a looser?
waiting for an answer, thanks
nmII
 
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about Hur and 72, there's no number... it will be raining Hurs, not only 72, and you can check Quran interpretation ...
but this is not the subject [number of Hur in Junna]

I knew that, which is why I asked.

my question is why should I as a christian, become a muslim, and if i didn't, i will be a looser?
waiting for an answer, thanks
nmII
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I can only answer why I chose Islam, and left christianity. Why Islam for me is following the only completed, uncorrupted religion. Following a book and a prophet who have something to say to guide me to please God in every aspect of my life. Doing my utmost to be humble, to be a servant, a slave of the almighty in every action I take.

It is all tied up in la ilaha il Allah - there is nothing worthy of worship but God. That is why Islam. God is at the center of everything.
 
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hello Rahma,
your post has seven points why you chose Islam, and left christianity [and that implies, these points are not in Christianity, right?]

1- Islam is the only completed religion.
2- Islam is the only uncorrupted religion.
3- Following a book and a prophet who have something to say to guide me to please God in every aspect of my life.
4- Doing my utmost to be humble
5- Doing my utmost to be a servant, a slave of the almighty in every action I take.
6- It is all tied up in la ilaha il Allah - there is nothing worthy of worship but God. [Tawheed]
7- That is why Islam. God is at the center of everything.

do you agree on that, or you want to add some more?

nmII
 
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new_manII said:
hello IE

Great, tell me what Islam offers that's not in christianity, and don't even bother with people's differen opinions.
Will you, please?
thanks
nmII

Why do you want to ignore the most important factor in choosing or switching a religion.... for anyone who left christianity for islam: than islam offers more than christianity. Who didn't than islam or any other religion doesn't offer anything to them. This is true for any religion. Not all people in the world are muslims or christian, in the end it is all about what appeals to a person.
 
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I like to add to Rahma's post... history of modern Christian Unitarian might shed some on this.

The word "Unitarian" historically refers to the oneness of God as opposed to the Trinity of God, belief in which is referred to as "Trinitarianism".

The word Trinity is not in the Bible, nor Unitarians hold, is the concept. The naming of Father Son and Holy Spirit hardly occurs, except as a echo of a baptismal formula. The doctrine dates from the early Middle Ages, as an effort to reconcile Jewish theology with Greek philosophy, and was adopted as doctrine at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD at the behest of Constantine. The leader of the Trinitarian position was St. Nicholas (later known as Santa Claus), who later actively persecuted Unitarians.

At that time the Unitarian position was called "Arianism" for its leader Arius of Alexandria. He and the idea were declared heretic, and was crushed except for a few remote Germanic tribes.

With the invention of the printing press in the 1450's, and the wide reading of the Bible, people discovered that the Trinity was not there, and Unitarians (often called Arians) sprang up all over Europe like crocus. In most places they were killed. Calvin burned the best known Renaissance Unitarian theologian, the Spaniard Servetus, in Geneva, in 1604. He was burned with a slow fire, taking half an hour to kill him, with his books and writings strapped to him. Earlier he had been burned in effigy by Catholics. (Servetus was also a doctor, and had discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood.)

Many early Unitarians tended to be scientists or doctors, and serving the royal family sometimes led to acceptance. Krakow (the early capital of Poland), became one of the few places Unitarians were allowed to live without persecution. They formed a convocation in 1565. After the Counter Reformation began to gain strength, and they were less welcome in Krakow, they gathered from all over Europe in a town they settled near Krakow (Rakow), establishing a university and printing press, under the leadership of the Italian theologian Socinus.

Unitarian churches developed in Hungary and Transylvania, and were particularly free in areas controlled by Turkey. Francis David was influential among them, but his thought continued to evolve, out pacing that of some Unitarian thinkers. Sabbatarian Unitarianism developed, observing Jewish food laws and the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week.

With a change in the throne Unitarians in Poland had in 1660 to choose between death, becoming Catholic, or fleeing. Some survivors fled by wagon train to Transylvania, being robbed on their way through Hungary. Some Unitarians in Transylvania later become Jewish by way of Sabatariansim, since Jews were considered infidels rather than heretics, and were not being put to death....
source: http://www.slc.bc.ca/mac/uni.htm

Now if a person inclined to Unitarian belief looks a little further and finds Muhammad (pbuh) a prophet from God... hey, to him, God has already addressed his need; he doesn't have to rely upon his own guess work to worship God correctly.
 
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Peace all,

May God bless you each, and your respective loved one's always :pray:

I guess I have sort of a question/point to make, from a Christian perspective/believer/follower of Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah.

According to Jesus' own words, He was not here to abolish the law, but to fulfill the law.Jesus being fully Torah/observant of God's laws/instructions to righteous living to His people, which is why He was sinless etc...

We probably can all agree that God's purpose with His chosen people(the Jews) was to obey the instructions of Torah, and as we know they were often punished for not doing so.So now that Messiah came and fulfilled Torah, and was perfection in God's eyes/sinless etc...which seems was HIS purpose for man, why would there be a need in another prophet etc...after One Who fulfilled His laws/Torah?Why have imperfection, instead of the One Who achieved God's will? :scratch:

I pray I wasn't confusing with my points.It is always my intent to respectfully dialogue with others. :hug:

Have a blessed evening :bow:

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hello ILY, thanks for your post, hope to see a "direct" answer to your q.! love :)

Hello IE,
Why do you want to ignore the most important factor in choosing or switching a religion.... for anyone who left christianity for islam: than islam offers more than christianity. Who didn't than islam or any other religion doesn't offer anything to them. This is true for any religion. Not all people in the world are muslims or christian, in the end it is all about what appeals to a person.
I am not asking about people's point of views... I am asking about What Islam offeres... clear and simple.
Do you know what Islam offeres that Christianity doesn't ?
thanks
nmII
 
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