Why is weed a sin

[ahiggs]

the difference is pastor 1 was not a pastor when he smoked. he repented of that and turned to God.

 

[peternguyen]

I posted this somewhere else but I realized I would get alot more responses if it was in here. I posted it in somewhere else I found first.

Hello. I am talking to a guy who smokes weed etc. I told him that it was a sin. He shrugged and said um why. I said that God does not like it when people get high and smoke weed. He said how you know. I said the bible. He said the Bible never actually speaks about Marijuana itself. But I explained there was bible verses that said stuff that made you realize it was indeed a sin. He said he tell me a example then. I thought and thought and searched my mind, then I said, "Though shalt not be drunk with whine." he said he doesnt drink whine and thats not marijuanna.

So why is it a sin? What are the reasons and what are the bible verses. He is still awaiting my awnser and still smoking weed etc. I am having trouble trying to explain to him so I need help, and posts in here i can read and then repeat them to him.

smoking weed isn't a sin. over doing it is. Jesus even made wine for the groom to party with his folks at the wedding. its just like everything else in life. i bet u alot of people over eat in here. thats a sin too and could actually harm u alot more then smoking weed. but remember this conversation is about weed and not hard core drugs. weed isn't crack so please don't get out of line with my answer. im sure everyone on here will disagree with me but thats how i see it and am ok with it.

 

[ahiggs]

actually the government made it aginst the law, so even having it is aginst the law. the bible says we should follow the law unless it goes aginst Gods law. so there fore it is a sin...

 

[Nadiine]

actually the government made it aginst the law, so even having it is aginst the law. the bible says we should follow the law unless it goes aginst Gods law. so there fore it is a sin...

Yep, most definitely.

Imagine a Pastor having a stash of pot & smoking before his sermons!

 

[Nadiine]

smoking weed isn't a sin. over doing it is. Jesus even made wine for the groom to party with his folks at the wedding. its just like everything else in life. i bet u alot of people over eat in here. thats a sin too and could actually harm u alot more then smoking weed. but remember this conversation is about weed and not hard core drugs. weed isn't crack so please don't get out of line with my answer. im sure everyone on here will disagree with me but thats how i see it and am ok with it.

have you looked into the bible's teaching on drug use?

Pharmakia is clearly noted as SIN - and it's directly linked to the occult as far as God is concerned.

I also don't know any good it provides (outside possible medicinal purposes for people in extreme pain) other than appeasing the flesh and opening up the mind.
We're told by God to take control of our minds, using pot does just the opposite - we put it in park and let the drugs take us for the ride.

With alcohol, there is a stopping point before you get drunk. With drugs, there is no stopping point, you get the affects in your mind - and the more you take of them, the more it takes to produce those effects - and you're QUICKLY addicted to them; by nature, they're very addictive and you need more.

Sorry, it is flat out SIN and worse, it's of Satan.

 

[ahiggs]

have you looked into the bible's teaching on drug use?

Pharmakia is clearly noted as SIN - and it's directly linked to the occult as far as God is concerned.

I also don't know any good it provides (outside possible medicinal purposes for people in extreme pain) other than appeasing the flesh and opening up the mind.
We're told by God to take control of our minds, using pot does just the opposite - we put it in park and let the drugs take us for the ride.

With alcohol, there is a stopping point before you get drunk. With drugs, there is no stopping point, you get the affects in your mind - and the more you take of them, the more it takes to produce those effects - and you're QUICKLY addicted to them; by nature, they're very addictive and you need more.

Sorry, it is flat out SIN and worse, it's of Satan.

AMEN sister!!

 

[mike74]

Well, what if there was two pastors. 1st Pastor Smoked weed for 20 years, starting when he was 13. But he has given up weed, no longer smokes it, and is a pastor. But the 2nd Pastor, only being in his early 20s, gives in to his impulsive behavior and starts smoking it for the first time. Then is pulled over and caught with a bag and gets a summons ticket for possesion. And probably gets fired. Why does the first Pastor deserve respect, or more respect then the 2nd pastor. What the 1st pastor did was so much worse since he was smoking it for 20 years and the 2nd one just started. And they were both christians yet made mistakes.

Well the word that comes to mind is REPENTANCE. And the fact that they are Pastors, not judges, police, doctors, lawers, but pastors representing God, not humanity. God does'nt change, the 1st came to god the 2nd is moving away.
If the second pastor was on a hardcore evangelical mission to get in with people who were into drugs, then fair one. But if he has lost his way, and fallen foul of the law then he is obviously not representing.
The first Pastor though, did these things, learnt that they aint no good, found Jesus and went to work for him, he will be passing on the message that weed takes you away from God not closer.
At the end of the day 'all have sinned' which is why God gave us Jesus in the first place. I wouldnt think any the less of either of them, i just wouldnt want the second one teaching me.

 

[ahiggs]

Well the word that comes to mind is REPENTANCE. And the fact that they are Pastors, not judges, police, doctors, lawers, but pastors representing God, not humanity. God does'nt change, the 1st came to god the 2nd is moving away.
If the second pastor was on a hardcore evangelical mission to get in with people who were into drugs, then fair one. But if he has lost his way, and fallen foul of the law then he is obviously not representing.
The first Pastor though, did these things, learnt that they aint no good, found Jesus and went to work for him, he will be passing on the message that weed takes you away from God not closer.
At the end of the day 'all have sinned' which is why God gave us Jesus in the first place. I wouldnt think any the less of either of them, i just wouldnt want the second one teaching me.

i like your answer better than mine can i claim it?

 

[Trelawrence]

Again, if you can tell me that weed does anything for your walk with God --short-term memory loss aside -- I will honestly say we probably serve two different Masters.

 

[peternguyen]

i respect ur guys opinions but i still hold on to mines and no i don't serve another master then u just becuz i have a different view on weed lol. its illegal becuz the government had a hard time making money off of it so that whole arguement just flew out the door. it use to be illegal for black people to be free so that scripture has to be use with some common sense. by the way weed is about to be legal pretty soon becuz the government just found a way to make money off of it lol. the united states government isn't run by saints and angels guys. seriously don't be so gullible.

 

[xcrunner71]

I love how most pot heads think there's absolutely nothing wrong with it when the bible clearly talks about intoxication. Yes, it is a sin to be high or stoned. Stop letting the drug tell you it's not, because IT IS.

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[icedtea]

 

[xcrunner71]

Even though smoking marijuana is a sin, let us not accuse our neighbors as the devil does, let us not pass judgment upon another, let one person live their life the way they desire. I think if you are debating whether to light your next joint, bowl, or hit a waterpipe, just remember what the bible says about intoxication, that is all I have to say about weed.

 

[xcrunner71]

Also, for those who still enjoy smoking marijuana, try getting high on the Holy Spirit, it creates a high that no drug or any other high can compare to. I've been stoned plenty of times, drunk a few times, and I can tell you NOTHING comes close to what the Holy Spirit can do for you. Just have faith, believe, and you will see what I'm talking about.

 

[mike74]

Also, for those who still enjoy smoking marijuana, try getting high on the Holy Spirit, it creates a high that no drug or any other high can compare to. I've been stoned plenty of times, drunk a few times, and I can tell you NOTHING comes close to what the Holy Spirit can do for you. Just have faith, believe, and you will see what I'm talking about.

Yeah i couldnt agree more, after the Holy Spirit you see all other things are just touching your mind. The Holy Spirit touches your soul.

 

[xcrunner71]

Yeah i couldnt agree more, after the Holy Spirit you see all other things are just touching your mind. The Holy Spirit touches your soul.

Exactly, marijuana may create a high, but that high will wear off and it will not exist after everything passes away.

God's high off the Holy Spirit fills you with a high that will stay with you when this world passes away. The buildings will crumble, the earth will burn, your body will pass away, but your passion will rise from the ashes, and that will forever live with God into eternity. Only the Holy Spirit can give you this undying passion.

There's a saying, "In the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make." "Love thy God with all thy heart, thy soul, and all thy mind."

 

[Nadiine]

Also, for those who still enjoy smoking marijuana, try getting high on the Holy Spirit, it creates a high that no drug or any other high can compare to. I've been stoned plenty of times, drunk a few times, and I can tell you NOTHING comes close to what the Holy Spirit can do for you. Just have faith, believe, and you will see what I'm talking about.

ditto - only I always HATED pot. For a girl watching her figure, those munchies will not work for long.
I preferred other drugs instead. But I drank tons.

In the end, it doesn't bring happiness, it brings guilt and remorse and you end up needing it to function & have a good time.

 

[Trelawrence]

i respect ur guys opinions but i still hold on to mines and no i don't serve another master then u just becuz i have a different view on weed lol. its illegal becuz the government had a hard time making money off of it so that whole arguement just flew out the door. it use to be illegal for black people to be free so that scripture has to be use with some common sense. by the way weed is about to be legal pretty soon becuz the government just found a way to make money off of it lol. the united states government isn't run by saints and angels guys. seriously don't be so gullible.

I am perfectly fine with leaving the legal aspect out of it; as I stated earlier, not everything that is legal is in line with God's law. That is why I have purposely skirted the law on this topic.

Arguing the rationale and tying it in to conspiracy theories norders on the inane. I have honestly never looked to bookmark my faith on the supposed transperacy of the government.

Again, if you believe that you can serve God while high, and be a good example of His faithfulness, I simply have to humbly disagree.

 

[Shiversblood]

A lot of very famous and powerfull people have smoked weed before. Are they all going to hell? The people are

• Abbie Hoffman
• Al Gore.
• Aldous Huxley
• Aleister Crowley
• Alice B. Toklas
• Allen Ginsberg. Poet.
• Alexis Korner. Musician.
• Andy Warhol. Artist.
• Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'.
• Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'.
• Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'.
• Aswad. Musicians.
• Beatles.
• Bill Clinton.
• Bill Murray Arrested for possession
• Bob Denver.
• Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer.
• Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer.
• The Bishop of Monmouth.
• Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list.
• Boy George.
• British Lords & MP's - too many to list .
• Buddy Rich.
• Cab Calloway. Jazz musician.
• Carl Sagan. Author.
• Caroline Coon. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash.
• Carl Segan . Author.
• Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist.
• Carrie Fischer.
• Cary Grant.
• Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology
• Charles Beaudelaire
• Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience.
• Cheech Marin.
• Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive.
• Chris Conrad.
• Chris Farley. 60's singer.
• Chris Rock.
• Conan O'Brian.
• Count Basie. Jazz legend.
• Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization.
• Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd.
• Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked.
• Diego Rivera.
• Dion Fortune.
• Dioscorides.
• Dizzy Gillespie.
• Douglas Adams. Author.
• Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
• Dr Lester Grinspoon.
• Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol.
• Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress)
• Dr R.D.Laing.
• Dr John Marks
• Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy.
• Drew Barrymore.
• Duke Ellington.
• Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad.
• Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user.
• Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer.
• Emperor Liu Chi-nu.
• Emperor Shen-Nung.
• Ernest Hemmingway. Author.
• Errol Flynn.
• Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king.
• Felix Dennis. Publisher.
• Fitz Hugh Ludlow.
• Fran Healey. Musician; Travis.
• Francis Ford Coppella.
• Francis Rabelais.
• Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police.
• Fredreich Nietzshe.
• Ganesh - Hindu God.
• Gary Johnson.
• Gene Krupa.
• George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
• George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite.
• George Gurdjieff.
• George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk).
• George Michael. Singer.
• George Washington.
• George Soros.
• Gerard de Nerval.
• Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon.
• The Greatful Dead.
• Hasan I-Sabah.
• Heinrich Khunrath.
• Helen Petrova Blavatsky.
• Henri Michaux.
• Herman Hesse.
• Hiero the Second.
• Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller.
• Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio.
• Hua T'o.
• Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush.
• Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend.
• Irvine Welsh.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan.
• Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths'
• Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'.
• Jack Nicholson. Film actor.
• Jackie Gleason.
• Jackson Pollock.
• Jane Fonda. Actress.
• James Brown. Singer, song writer.
• Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer.
• Jesse 0Ventura.
• Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer.
• Jimmy Dorsey.
• Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer
• Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors.
• Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis).
• Joan Rivers.
• Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash.
• John Belushi.
• John Denver.
• John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated).
• John Keats. Poet.
• John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him.
• Johnny Cash.
• John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster.
• John Sinclair.
• Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court
• Julie Christie. Actress.
• Jules Verne.
• John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.'
• Kelsey Grammar.
• Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs.
• Kirk Douglas. Actor.
• Kurt Cobain.
• Larry Adler. Harmonica player and
friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it.
• Lenny Bruce. Comedian.
• Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'.
• Linda St Clair
• Little Richard. Musician.
• Lord Avebury.
• Lord Byron. Poet.
• Lord Deedes.
• Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer.
• Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'.
• Louis Hebert.
• Mark Thomas . Comedian.
• Marlon Brando. Actor.
• Martin Sheen.
• Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'.
• Mary Tyler Moore.
• Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones.
• Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer.
• Jade Jagger.
• JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west.
• JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist.
• Mike Tyson.
• Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
• Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician.
• Modigliani. Sculptor.
• Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography.
• Neil Diamond.
• Nick Hornby. Author.
• Niel Young. Musician.
• Norman Mailer. Author.
• Oasis. Rock band.
• Oliver Stone.
• Oscar Wilde. Poet.
• Pablo Picasso. Artist.
• Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary.
• Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament.
• Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles.
• Paul Simon. Musician, song writer.
• Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples.
• Phil Donohue.
• Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb.
• Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'.
• Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian.
• Peter Tosh. Musician.
• Philip K. Dick. Science fiction author.
• Pierre Burton.
• Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
• Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters.
• Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' .
• Prince William.
• Prince Harry.
• Pythagoras.
• Queen Arnegunde.
• Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes.
• Ram Dass.
• Ray Charles. Musician.
• Rev Kenneth Leech.
• Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur.
• Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.
• Richard Prior.
• Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'.
• Rimbaud. Author.
• Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem.
• Robert 'King' Carter. Grower.
• Robert Anton Wilson. Author.
• Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949.
• Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet.
• Rolling Stones. Rock band.
• Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London.
• S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing.
• Salvador Dali. Artist.
• Samuel Beckett.
• Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet.
• Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C .
• Sinead O'Connor. Singer.
• Sidi-Hidi.
• Sigmun Freud. Shrink.
• Sonny Bono.
• Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks.
• Stephen King.
• Sting/Gordon Sumners.
• Tariq Ali. Activist Writer.
• Tenessee Williams. Author.
• Terence McKenna. Author.
• Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python.
• The Who. Rock band.
• Thelonius Monk.
• Thomas Jefferson.
• Timothy Leary.
• Tom Lehrer.
• Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet.
• Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out.
• Tracy Blevins. Artist.
• Tuppy Gore.
• UB40. Band.
• Victor Hugo.
• Vincent Van Gogh. Artist.
• Walt Disney. Cartoonist.
• Walter Benjamin.
• Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
• William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist.
• Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane.
• William Shakespeare. Playwright.
• William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'.
• Willie Nelson.
• Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user.
• Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijuana .
• Zoroaster. Persian prophet.

 

[Trelawrence]

A lot of very famous and powerfull people have smoked weed before. Are they all going to hell? The people are...

Paul persecuted christians. Is he going to hell?

With all do respect, I think we need not worry about Zoroaster. It's about you and me.

I am kind of confused... is the list supposed to be rolling endorsement?