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Why is this not being taught in Church?

Carl Emerson

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Hard to agree with Point 4. when we see the coming King triumphant to judge the earth and the wicked hiding in caves from His presence.
 
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I still don't want to presume what's been asserted that churches - in general - aren't teaching.

This is a (fairly long) video discussion about the continuity AND discontinuity between Old Testament and New. I like how there are markers for the specific areas of discussion. Is this the sort of thing you're bringing up, Rhern?

The Relationship of the Old Testament to the New Testament - DTS Voice

Another thing that doesn't seem to get highlighted too often is this timeline (and not all Christians agree on this - so maybe that's WHY it's not brought up):



Image from Christian Gedge
 
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Hi rhern,

I think I understand what you are saying. The error being taught, I think, is that we, the Body of Christ are the only ones God has purposes for. When in fact God has purposes for the Body of Christ, for Israel and for the Nations.

People get a bit `me` focussed and don`t understand the bigger picture.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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If you know what point rhern is making and agree with it, please explain it.

If you have been teaching your congregation that Jesus words in red are always instructions directed to them, verses like Matthew 10:5 and Romans 15:8, will go against what you are teaching them correct?
 
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You quote Matt 10:5 when the 12 were sent out. After Pentecost Paul and Peter were led to include the gentiles..

Yet, when Jewish believers questioned him for eating with the gentiles in Acts 11, why didn't Peter mentioned the Great Commission in Matthew, specifically the "all nations"?

If it was true that the GC in Matthew authorized him to preach to the Gentiles, wouldn't using that be sufficient to convince them?
 
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Yet, when Jewish believers questioned him for eating with the gentiles in Acts 11, why didn't Peter mentioned the Great Commission in Matthew, specifically the "all nations"?
"Acts 11 New International Version (NIV)

Peter Explains His Actions

11 The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3 and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”

4 Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story"
 
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The whole story started with the vision in Acts 10, but not what the resurrected Christ told them to preach to "all nations". Why not?
 
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The whole story started with the vision in Acts 10, but not what the resurrected Christ told them to preach to "all nations". Why not?
The answer you are seeking, might not be found, or perhaps not understood... I'm not sure.
 
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The answer you are seeking, might not be found, or perhaps not understood... I'm not sure.

How about this simple explanation:

The Great Commission was for the believing Jews to preach to non believing Jews.

Once the Jewish nation accept their Messiah, THEN, the Gentiles can be reached.
 
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But notice, Peter had to be told by God in a vision subsequent to the great Commission.
 
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If you have been teaching your congregation that Jesus words in red are always instructions directed to them, verses like Matthew 10:5 and Romans 15:8, will go against what you are teaching them correct?

I previously said of "red letter Christians:"

"Red letter Christians" are typically attempting to subvert or ignore most of the New Testament for various reasons. The are outside the normal pale of Christians, so his first accusation is unwarranted."

So why would you think I'd teach what "red letter Christians" teach?
 
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I previously said of "red letter Christians:"



So why would you think I'd teach what "red letter Christians" teach?

My view of RLC are more of "They believe that whatever Jesus said in the 4 Gospels, is what we also follow.
 
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I don't know that.
No problem though if that is true.
I'm not sure what that has to do with this topic at this point.

The OP's point is back to Matthew 10:5.

The idea that the GC at the end of Matthew negated the command in Matt 10:5, is contradicted by how Peter explained in Acts 11.
 
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How about this simple explanation:

The Great Commission was for the believing Jews to preach to non believing Jews.

Once the Jewish nation accept their Messiah, THEN, the Gentiles can be reached.

If that were the case, gentiles would not have yet received the gospel because the Jewish nation has not yet accepted Jesus as their Messiah.

The better explanation is that Peter and the other apostles had not yet stepped out to fully obey the Great Commission. Their own prejudice kept them in place.

If you'll notice, the Holy Spirit had sprinted ahead of Peter and had already enabled Cornelius. Cornelius didn't even hear all of Peter's sermon. As Peter stated in the first part of his sermon, Cornelius already knew the ministry of Jesus up until His crucifixion. All he needed to hear was that Jesus had been resurrected. At that, Cornelius began speaking in tongues--just as the disciples had in the upper room--before Peter had even stopped talking.

Not even that event got the Hebraic apostles out of preaching only to Jews. The primary function of Saul's persecution was to chase the Hellenist Christians out of Jerusalem, and it was the Hellenists who carried the gospel to the Samaritans, to outcasts like eunuchs (see Isaiah 56), and to the gentiles. That's why the hub of evangelism moved away from Jerusalem to Antioch. If not for Saul, the gospel might have taken much longer to start spreading (notice that Saul, too, was a Hellenist).

The Hebraic Christians in Jerusalem never truly grokked the expanse of the Great Commission. Even when Peter visited Paul in Galatia, he still didn't quite get it.
 
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The OP's point is back to Matthew 10:5.

The idea that the GC at the end of Matthew negated the command in Matt 10:5, is contradicted by how Peter explained in Acts 11.
That's not related to my post.

"I don't know that" meant I don't know that, that which I quoted.

Your post may be correct, yes or no, but if you type out the words instead of the reference when the reference is short anyway, that would help a great deal - the references do not render on my screen, nor on some of the cell phone screens....
 
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If that were the case, gentiles would not have yet received the gospel because the Jewish nation has not yet accepted Jesus as their Messiah.
Correct. I noticed that earlier, but couldn't believe that's what the poster meant....
 
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