Why is there evil?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Look up bio electrical fields, look up bio chemical relationships, look up positive and negative polarities. But if your looking for actual research on this field I'm studying, there's none. I'm the first to discover this particular field, which I still don't have a name for.

As a one time human biologist, I'm quite familiar with electrical fields, biochemical relationships, etc., in humans - particularly in relation to the neurophysiology of the brain and consciousness, my current interest.

Bioelectric fields, in so far as they can be detected, are the extremely short range (in the order of millimetres, or at most, a few centimetres) electromagnetic products of membrane depolarizations (muscles & nerves), and have no significant or measurable influence on other individuals (except, possibly, in intimate physical contact). Even the most sensitive instruments have trouble detecting the bioelectric activity of the brain through the dura-mater, skull, and scalp, and then only as a summation of the synchronised activity of billions of neurons (I'm talking EEGs).

I'm curious to know how you can study a field in which there is no 'actual research'; it seems to me some observations (i.e. actual research) are a necessary starting point for scientific studies... Perhaps you could explain how you discovered this field?

 

[paulm50]

Want is an aberration of seeing desire on while being off, I thought I made that clear. Want is the very reason we have a world of good and evil, again I thought I made that clear. But one thing I didn't make clear is that if you keep knowing good and evil you're risking permanent soul death.

We can't have the desire to improve ourselves, without people using it for their own means. And when it comes to doing evil things, the religious are way in front. The Israelites wanted the Canaanites land, so took ir a killen 1,000s of them in the process. Using the god told them to do it excuse, even making a box to fool the faithful it would help them. It never was much help when faced with a better Army.

No comment.

No problem, it stumps more fundamentalists, like satan being stronger the god.

 

[True Scotsman]

Yes, we have free will, if you believe in god. That's his fault.

We have free will regardless of whether we believe in gods or not and regardless of whether we believe in the tooth fairy or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. We have free will and the locus of it is our conceptual faculty.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

We are life forms, and we are subject to death. This is inside of time. Death is the entropy of the lifeform. Time enables and destoys life. Time is entropc change, from high order to low order, and change creates life and destroys it.

"My body like a water bubble decays and dies so very quickly..."
from a Buddhist Prayer of the stages of the path.

Kali yoga (the present "morally degenerate" age in Hinduism) is a time where life sucking forces are predominant. Kali - the godess of destruction, is revered. I dont actually know too much about this...

 

[Colter]

Sin and evil came into being when Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God's Word. That is what evil means. Nothing more, nothing less.

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

No amount of philosophy will change this either by the way lol. Only will anything change and eyes be opened by receiving Christ Jesus our Lord God.

Where then did Satan get his evil? When did he fall? The "crafty beast" was knowingly working against the will of God when he approached Eve.

 

[paulm50]

Where then did Satan get his evil? When did he fall? The "crafty beast" was knowingly working against the will of God when he approached Eve.

Why is satan as strong as god?
I'm counting all the evil v all the good, Man has done and evil comes out tops.

 

[Colter]

Why is satan as strong as god?
I'm counting all the evil v all the good, Man has done and evil comes out tops.

He isn't, he never was nor could ever be a God. Man acquired the habit of blaming the evil ones for mans own behavior. I agree with you, it's as if religious people have more faith in a fictitious Satan God than in the Loving Universal Father.

But even though the rebels of the celestial world were taken into custody at the time of The Son on earth, the meme of their Atheism remains in the stream of human ideas as well as the consequences of 2 defaults.

 

[paulm50]

He isn't, he never was nor could ever be a God. Man acquired the habit of blaming the evil ones for mans own behavior. I agree with you, it's as if religious people have more faith in a fictitious Satan God than in the Loving Universal Father.

But even though the rebels of the celestial world were taken into custody at the time of The Son on earth, the meme of their Atheism remains in the stream of human ideas as well as the consequences of 2 defaults.

Did the Devil tempt Jesus? If so god should of crushed him.

As for a Loving god, seems a lot of people have done a lot of evil in his name. A lot worse things than sodomy, god doesn't do anything to them. nor does he fix things on the Earth that keep killing us. Maybe he should be showing us more of his love while we're still alive.

 

[Colter]

Did the Devil tempt Jesus? If so god should of crushed him.

As for a Loving god, seems a lot of people have done a lot of evil in his name. A lot worse things than sodomy, god doesn't do anything to them. nor does he fix things on the Earth that keep killing us. Maybe he should be showing us more of his love while we're still alive.

If man is t be free then he is free to be wrong as well as right, free to do stupid things in Gods name or do good. Enemies of faith are being shallow when they point out the failings of religious people to the exclusion of many great acts of love and faith.

We are supposed to be fixing the things on earth rather then sitting on our [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] making all the world a stage and we it's chief critics.

 

[Winepress777]

Where then did Satan get his evil? When did he fall? The "crafty beast" was knowingly working against the will of God when he approached Eve.

I don't believe in doctrines of devils. When you read of Adam sinning, you are supposed to recognize that as the first sin. The first evil. NOT from some fairy tale "other" person who was evil and "fell", and then prodded Adam. That is fairy tales. It was Adam. Not "somebody else". That is just judeo/Christian mythology. I wouldn't blame you for not being a Christian if you base it on others' superstitions of devils from another dimension. Peace

 

[paulm50]

I don't believe in doctrines of devils. When you read of Adam sinning, you are supposed to recognize that as the first sin. The first evil. NOT from some fairy tale "other" person who was evil and "fell", and then prodded Adam. That is fairy tales. It was Adam. Not "somebody else". That is just judeo/Christian mythology. I wouldn't blame you for not being a Christian if you base it on others' superstitions of devils from another dimension. Peace

There are fundamentals all religions need, as well as society.

A. Group at the top who claim to know more than the rest.
B. Rewards for those who do what A. commands.
C. Punishment for not doing what A. commands.
4. People giving what they're told to give in order to keep everything going.

Religion does this perfectly. We have a bunch of gods who it's claimed love us, if we do the right thing, which is told to us by A. And we'll get our rewards, like a safe society, prosperity or in case of religion. Better crops, magical protection from bad things and the reward after we die.

We built huge, Cathedrals, Mosques, Pyramids, even Stone Circles, fought wars and gave A. lots of money and power. Because A. told it would be better for us.

To make it even more plausible and scary, A. needs a Nemesis. The devil, satan, the bogeyman we use to scare the children with, suits that purpose.

The truth is A. always ends up with more rewards here and no one has ever come back and complained about Heaven not existing or that he ended up in hell. As for warding off bad crops, the weather, Earthquakes, etc. A.'s excuse is always it was our fault for not obeying well enough.

At least now we can blame the banks crashing on A.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sounds groovy.

Sounds like drugs as well...

 

[DogmaHunter]

Look up bio electrical fields, look up bio chemical relationships, look up positive and negative polarities. But if your looking for actual research on this field I'm studying, there's none. I'm the first to discover this particular field, which I still don't have a name for.

Be sure to mention us in your "told-you-so" Nobel prize acceptance speech.

 

[Colter]

There are fundamentals all religions need, as well as society.

A. Group at the top who claim to know more than the rest.
B. Rewards for those who do what A. commands.
C. Punishment for not doing what A. commands.
4. People giving what they're told to give in order to keep everything going.

Religion does this perfectly. We have a bunch of gods who it's claimed love us, if we do the right thing, which is told to us by A. And we'll get our rewards, like a safe society, prosperity or in case of religion. Better crops, magical protection from bad things and the reward after we die.

We built huge, Cathedrals, Mosques, Pyramids, even Stone Circles, fought wars and gave A. lots of money and power. Because A. told it would be better for us.

To make it even more plausible and scary, A. needs a Nemesis. The devil, satan, the bogeyman we use to scare the children with, suits that purpose.

Skepticism just requires people to pick flaws.

The truth is A. always ends up with more rewards here and no one has ever come back and complained about Heaven not existing or that he ended up in hell. As for warding off bad crops, the weather, Earthquakes, etc. A.'s excuse is always it was our fault for not obeying well enough.

At least now we can blame the banks crashing on A.

 

[juvenissun]

Evil is the consequence of a anomaly. The anomaly is caused when our human transmitting signal (Desire) is viewed on while it's not transmitting any bio electrical data.

This causes the user to bypass the normal transmitting protocol and initialize a fake signal (Want) want becomes a positive for seeing the signal on while off, and a negative because the signal is in fact off.

This signal is only capable of sending and receiving other fake bio electrical data and can't send a legitimate signal to other users.

Since want is only open it causes other peoples bio fields to be bombarded by fake signals, and the users involved become sick due to lack of a real signal.

I think your thread is about to die. Let me refresh it up:

First, the "user". Who or what is qualified to be an "user"? What is the qualification?

 

[SkyWriting]

Sin and evil came into being when Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God's Word. That is what evil means. Nothing more, nothing less.

A little more. Good happens when God is in control.
Evil is what results when man is separated from God, as we are.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Evil is the lack of seeing the value in other human beings. All Evil is done to others for greed or revenge. It is the highest expression of hedonism.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Be sure to mention us in your "told-you-so" Nobel prize acceptance speech.

It occurs to me that it was probably a wind-up. Just too silly.

 

[Winepress777]

A little more. Good happens when God is in control.
Evil is what results when man is separated from God, as we are.

When you re-word the scriptures, you make it something else. Something far less. God didn't "control" Adam. And if He would have, then there would have been no "good".
Evil is not what results when "man is separated from God". Evil is disobedience to God's Word, as was shown already. Disobedience separated man from God of course, for it was the origin of sin and wickedness. Fortunately we are restored into Him as One by the Obedience of Christ, and the Righteousness of Faith in Him.

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(1Co 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

(Rom 5:11) And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

(2Co 3:18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

(Col 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


(Col 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:


(Col 1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

[SkyWriting]

When you re-word the scriptures, you make it something else. Something far less. God didn't "control" Adam. And if He would have, then there would have been no "good". Evil is not what results when "man is separated from God". Evil is disobedience to God's Word, as was shown already. Disobedience separated man from God of course, for it was the origin of sin and wickedness. Fortunately we are restored into Him as One by the Obedience of Christ, and the Righteousness of Faith in Him.

When you re-word the scriptures, you make it something else.

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(1Co 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(Rom 5:11) And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
(2Co 3:18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(Col 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
(Col 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
(Col 1:15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

I thought the topic was "Evil."
Would you not want to quote scriptures about that?


Matthew 12:35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored stored up in him, and an evil
man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him

8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit;
9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing.
10 For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT

Luke 6:45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart


Yes, Evil is a result of man living separated from God.
Originally, God walked with Adam in the Garden. He choose to disobey God and live his life separate from God's will.

23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

Disobedience to God's will is the problem that got us in the mess.
Because we are separate now, there is nothing we can do to change that.
We can do no good.

Psalm 53:3 Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt
All have gone aside, they are become unprofitable together,
there is none that doth good, no not one.