why is the middle class for increased immigration and the low incomes against?

[MorkandMindy]

You can build a good income on a low skilled low wage job, but you need a good plan, and patience. I have a six figure income and I'm still mowing lawns, mopping halls, washing windows, and cleaning toilets.

Hi OWG:

I'm guessing that those activities have a good synergy with renting out properties? So you don't get ripped off by property care services.

A neighbor who does drains among other things was called by a big apartment complex, they'd had a quote of 20,000 dollars to replace the main drain, and he went there and cleared it with a screw-ended auger. Somehow a bolt had got into the drain and got stuck sideways. He got 500 dollars which was pretty generous for a 2 hour job, but they nearly got ripped off big time.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm guessing that those activities have a good synergy with renting out properties? So you don't get ripped off by property care services.

Exactly.

Besides, why should they have all the fun?

 

[Sparagmos]

I do. Who was already doing those jobs before the illegals came?

Where do you live where it’s hard to get a job?

 

[Sparagmos]

At present the impression I have is that the Democratic Party is mainly supported by the middle class, teachers, government administrators and bureaucrats, people who work in clinics, pretty much everyone with big student loans, and the banks, which control the media.

And the Republican Party now contains an alliance of many very rich entreprenours with the low income category as well. That may seem a weird alliance but the rich alone just can't get enough votes on their own,

and alliance that started the problem back in the Reagan era was the rich and the middle class and the pensioners.

Well done Speedwell, there is a big problem, maybe it is the rich currently allied to the low income group might switch back to the middle class. um. ok, I've got to get out of the low income group.

You left out a very important group - large corporations. Who do they support?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

People need to re-think how they look at the whole dynamic when it comes to political attitudes in this country.

It's not really as much about "rich vs. poor" as it is region-vs-region.

The south has a lot of poor folks...they're also the ones closest to the country where the largest number of immigrants are flowing in from.

So most poor folks in the south are going to equate "immigration" with "illegal immigration from Mexico". They're not thinking of highly skilled people coming in from Asia, when they hear "immigration", they think "Mexican coming in and doing a job for less, thus taking it away from a citizen"

 

[hedrick]

Lower-class workers have been afraid of immigrants in several periods in the US, and also in many countries.

My sense is that a lot of it is that they're living near the edge, and tend to be more afraid of economic problems. They're also being fed propaganda claiming that immigrants are stealing their jobs.

Economists claim that immigrants don't actually depress wages or increase unemployment even for lower-paid workers. Immigration Doesn't Hurt Native Jobs or Wages: Report, for just one of many studies.

With baby boomers retiring, we actually need younger workers, particularly those that will do jobs like home health aide. Our birth rate is probably too low; taking immigrants could help.

The idea that the country is "full" seems a bit silly. If it's true, we had better start mandatory birth control.

Of course to the extent that we don't let illegal immigrants work, they actually might be a drain. But that's a problem we're creating intentionally.

Note that I'm not advocating completely open borders. I'm just not convinced that the level of immigration we've been seeing is a problem, at least not if we let them work.