Why is the creation:evolution debate important?

[thaumaturgy]

Also Christs geneology is traced back to Adam and the number of years so involved are ~6000 .

Which genealogy? The one with 43 generations or the one with 28?



I'll soften my tone here a bit and point out that there are many scientists who are christians. They don't see it the same way you do.

or if you want to live in this world and be a Christian you cannot go to a public school or you must lie in exams. Is that the way you all think your founding fathers wanted it to be in the US? Is this not in itself the interference of Governments over "religious freedom "

See, unfortunately, a freedom of religion in a pluralistic society means you have to accept that there are others who definitely do not believe as you do. That is what the Founding Fathers wanted.

In this sense religions simply cannot co-exist. Their coexistence with other mutually exclusive religions is a tenuous thing at best. I would propose certainly an unpopular plan to make the society more stable, but failing to eliminate religion altogether, I'll settle for people just realizing that they have a survival advantage to cooperation rather than conflict.

In this sense I really do like the ecumenical movement. I, of course, came up through that sort of upbringing in the midwest from a middle-of-the-road Methodist childhood.

 

[CinNaMin46]

The debate is important because....athiests think that by proving evolution they are disproving God. Christians think that by accepting evolution they are rejecting God.

Actually, speaking as an atheist, I don't believe in evolution so I can disprove God. I believed in evolution LOOOOONG before I stopped believing in God.

I truly hope that creationists don't think evolutionists cleave to evolution because they want to deny God.

This has always been the most frustrating thing about the debate. It is as if there are people out there who believe that scientists pursue specific knowledge with some ulterior motive (to destroy god) when, in all my years in the sciences (about 24 years now) I've never met ONE who did that. Not one.

I think it is easy for some creationists to throw this accusation around. It is dishonest and, well, frankly, evil.

My apologies, I do realize that I worded that completely wrong. I never meant to imply that athiests or evolutionists were seeking to disprove God. Evolution is science, not theology.

I wouldn't ever think that an athiest is fervently seeking to disprove God for any reason anyway, since the ideas of God/gods/Invisible Pink Unicorn/Flying Spaghetti Monster are conceptual and can not be proven or disproven. Why waste time. Remember Russell's teapot?

I think that Christians are so adamant about not accepting evolution because it threatens their Literal Biblical God. Adjustments would have to be made to their theology.

Besides, no one likes to admit that they were wrong.

 

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[FEZZILLA]

As you maybe aware, I have my own personal opinions on this topic; however, I would like to find out why people debate this topic.

Why is it important to you?

Thanks for your input

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There are two reasons that come into mind right away that are my reasoning for why I detest evolution. Besides the fact I know it never happened and its a lie force-fed in the public schools for political gain: (a) Such politics are a violation of human rights! Evolutionary humanism literally dehumanizes a human and turns mankind into monkeys, while those who are doing all the dehumanizing are treating themselves with human rights while making all the theist live the life of a monkey with no God given rights just so some people can have special rights (that is, the humanist) and others (those that disagree with evolutionary humanism) are treated like lab rats and abused has though it doesn't matter. (b) God has a plan of human restoration through His only begotton Son Jesus Christ. This plan involves worshiping God has Creator and Redeemer, and not the denial of God and His Creation and Redemption plan of human restoration. God loves humanity and wants to save as many has He can. But, evolution teaches the sin of disobedience to God and the total denial of His existence. Whats the problem with that? All those souls that fall for the lie that evolution is the why and the truth and the light have fallen for Satan's deception spoken through the tongues of twisted men. And all those souls who deny God or teach that God did not create the world and mankind therein will perish because of their disobedience to God's will. For God will not save anyone who does not have the seal of salvation in their hearts, mind, and soul (Eph.1:13).

Evolutionary humanism truly dehumanizes all those who are not filthy rich and have all worldly pleasures. Its a condemnation of all who are not powerful and corrupt political scam artists.

 

[Ondoher]

There are two reasons that come into mind right away that are my reasoning for why I detest evolution. Besides the fact I know it never happened and its a lie force-fed in the public schools for political gain:

Well, scientists would disagree with you. However, since you're obviously an expert, perhaps you can explain the follwing data using a creationist model:

• The distribution of endogenous retroviruses in primate species;
• Microfossil stratification;
• The distribution of slight variations in the genetic code;
• The extra 10 to 15 feet of recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes;
• Archaeopteryx lithographica;
• The distribution of myosin paralogues in the eukaryotes;
• Gene families; and
• The single, natural, nested hierarchy of species as revealed by the nearly 300 year old science of taxonomy.

Evolution explains a wide diversity of otherwise seemingly unrelated data and it makes specific, risky, testable predictions that never fail to confirm against a growing mountain of evidence. But you "know it never happened."

(a) Such politics are a violation of human rights!

Yes, teaching science violates human rights! We all deserve ignorance!

Evolutionary humanism literally dehumanizes a human and turns mankind into monkeys, while those who are doing all the dehumanizing are treating themselves with human rights while making all the theist live the life of a monkey with no God given rights just so some people can have special rights (that is, the humanist) and others (those that disagree with evolutionary humanism) are treated like lab rats and abused has though it doesn't matter.

Um, what?

What is "evolutionary humanism?" You do realize that evolution is a scientific theory, right?

You're being related to monkeys doesn't take away your humanity. Neither does your being an ape, or a primate, or a mammal, or a synapsid, or an amniote, or a vertebrate, or a chrodate, or a deuterostome, or a bilaterian, or an animal, or a eukaryote. You're still a human.

(b) God has a plan of human restoration through His only begotton Son Jesus Christ. This plan involves worshiping God has Creator and Redeemer, and not the denial of God and His Creation and Redemption plan of human restoration. God loves humanity and wants to save as many has He can.

That's nice. Lots of TE's would probably not disagree with you.

But, evolution teaches the sin of disobedience to God and the total denial of His existence.

No it doesn't. It explains that all species are related via common ancestry. It also explains the mechanisms that lead to diversity. Does explaining rain without reference to god make meteorology teach the "sin of disobedience?"

Whats the problem with that? All those souls that fall for the lie that evolution is the why and the truth and the light have fallen for Satan's deception spoken through the tongues of twisted men. And all those souls who deny God or teach that God did not create the world and mankind therein will perish because of their disobedience to God's will. For God will not save anyone who does not have the seal of salvation in their hearts, mind, and soul (Eph.1:13).

The TE's here will argue your contention that acceptence of science is a salvation issue. Me, I'm an atheist, I don't really care.

Evolutionary humanism truly dehumanizes all those who are not filthy rich and have all worldly pleasures. Its a condemnation of all who are not powerful and corrupt political scam artists.

No it doesn't.

 

[FEZZILLA]

Well, scientists would disagree with you. However, since you're obviously an expert, perhaps you can explain the follwing data using a creationist model:

• The distribution of endogenous retroviruses in primate species;
• Microfossil stratification;
• The distribution of slight variations in the genetic code;
• The extra 10 to 15 feet of recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes;
• Archaeopteryx lithographica;
• The distribution of myosin paralogues in the eukaryotes;
• Gene families; and
• The single, natural, nested hierarchy of species as revealed by the nearly 300 year old science of taxonomy.

Evolution explains a wide diversity of otherwise seemingly unrelated data and it makes specific, risky, testable predictions that never fail to confirm against a growing mountain of evidence. But you "know it never happened."


Yes, teaching science violates human rights! We all deserve ignorance!


Um, what?

What is "evolutionary humanism?" You do realize that evolution is a scientific theory, right?

You're being related to monkeys doesn't take away your humanity. Neither does your being an ape, or a primate, or a mammal, or a synapsid, or an amniote, or a vertebrate, or a chrodate, or a deuterostome, or a bilaterian, or an animal, or a eukaryote. You're still a human.


That's nice. Lots of TE's would probably not disagree with you.


No it doesn't. It explains that all species are related via common ancestry. It also explains the mechanisms that lead to diversity. Does explaining rain without reference to god make meteorology teach the "sin of disobedience?"


The TE's here will argue your contention that acceptence of science is a salvation issue. Me, I'm an atheist, I don't really care.


No it doesn't.

You forgot to mention the ancient fossilized snakes found with legs! Could this be God's curse to the serpent? It sure is!!

I don't know what a TE is.

400-years of creationism vs.150-years of Darwinian paganism hardly qualifies evolution has science. Your salvation by evolution theory is humanism, and humanism is a form of murder.

I am not an ape or any animal descenant. I am a human created in the image and likeness of God Almighty! I bow to no man or beast or log or stone. I bow and will continue to bow only to God!! To hell with evolution, I'm a child of God.

We humans have "dominion" over all wildlife just has "it is written" in Genesis. There is no evidence to the contrary. So you can believe those Bigfoot tales if you like, but don't push this off on me, and don't force it into common law--oh, I forgot, evolutionists already did! So all those people who believe in the hollow philosophy of evolution--a deception of Satan--will lose their souls because of money, sex, and power of suggestion in corrupt politics.

The day is coming and all will be fulfilled of prophecy. The harvest is near and every knee will bow to Jesus when they see the heavens roll up like a scoll and Jesus coming in the clouds to judge the earth.

 

[Ondoher]

You forgot to mention the ancient fossilized snakes found with legs! Could this be God's curse to the serpent? It sure is!!

I don't know what a TE is.

400-years of creationism vs.150-years of Darwinian paganism hardly qualifies evolution has science. Your salvation by evolution theory is humanism, and humanism is a form of murder.

I am not an ape or any animal descenant. I am a human created in the image and likeness of God Almighty! I bow to no man or beast or log or stone. I bow and will continue to bow only to God!! To hell with evolution, I'm a child of God.

We humans have "dominion" over all wildlife just has "it is written" in Genesis. There is no evidence to the contrary. So you can believe those Bigfoot tales if you like, but don't push this off on me, and don't force it into common law--oh, I forgot, evolutionists already did! So all those people who believe in the hollow philosophy of evolution--a deception of Satan--will lose their souls because of money, sex, and power of suggestion in corrupt politics.

The day is coming and all will be fulfilled of prophecy. The harvest is near and every knee will bow to Jesus when they see the heavens roll up like a scoll and Jesus coming in the clouds to judge the earth.

I noticed that you neglected to explain the evidence using a creationist model. Was that a simple oversight? Perhaps you'd like to have another go.

 

[BandyOne]

You forgot to mention the ancient fossilized snakes found with legs! Could this be God's curse to the serpent? It sure is!!

I don't know what a TE is.

400-years of creationism vs.150-years of Darwinian paganism hardly qualifies evolution has science. Your salvation by evolution theory is humanism, and humanism is a form of murder.

I am not an ape or any animal descenant. I am a human created in the image and likeness of God Almighty! I bow to no man or beast or log or stone. I bow and will continue to bow only to God!! To hell with evolution, I'm a child of God.

We humans have "dominion" over all wildlife just has "it is written" in Genesis. There is no evidence to the contrary. So you can believe those Bigfoot tales if you like, but don't push this off on me, and don't force it into common law--oh, I forgot, evolutionists already did! So all those people who believe in the hollow philosophy of evolution--a deception of Satan--will lose their souls because of money, sex, and power of suggestion in corrupt politics.

The day is coming and all will be fulfilled of prophecy. The harvest is near and every knee will bow to Jesus when they see the heavens roll up like a scoll and Jesus coming in the clouds to judge the earth.

I would reply but I know it would be a waste of time, you are too far gone, you are the guy on the street corner punching the air with one hand and a bible in the other, the guy everyone feels sorry for.