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(New Testament | John 10:16)I know you believe JS---but it is the word of God that saves. It is His word that reveals who God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. He has never let His word by destroyed or corrupted. He has maintained it throughout all of history. JS seems to have not ever read about all those that kept the word of God alive. He never read about the Waldenses and all those others. As in the days of Elijah---God always had a remnant. Through the toughest of times with the Israelites, God always had a remnant.
2Ki_19:4 It may be the LORD thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the LORD thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.
2Ki_19:30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.
2Ch_30:6 So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria.
2Ch_34:9 And when they came to Hilkiah the high priest, they delivered the money that was brought into the house of God, which the Levites that kept the doors had gathered of the hand of Manasseh and Ephraim, and of all the remnant of Israel, and of all Judah and Benjamin; and they returned to Jerusalem.
2Ki_19:31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
Ezr_9:14 Should we again break thy commandments, and join in affinity with the people of these abominations? wouldest not thou be angry with us till thou hadst consumed us, so that there should be no remnant nor escaping?
Neh_1:3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
Isa_10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa_10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
Isa_10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Isa_11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.
Rom_9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rev_11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1Ki_19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal,
and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
God had no need of what JS has written. His word is intact. Our God is able.
(New Testament | John 10:16)
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Just saying it didn't happen does not make it so.And? What has that to do with Jesus in the Americas? There are Christians in every country of the world now. Many, many, which are not of the fold that Jesus had then. No such thing happened with the Mayan, Incas, or Aztec when you say Jesus was there. Our Jesus is able---your is not.
Just saying it didn't happen does not make it so.
The real words from the real God were written by men and also translated by many men down through time. None of them needed to stick their head in a hat to translate. They learned the actual language and that language is still around today.
Again---God showed His handwritten stone tablets to over a million people
What good do they do there, those writings of men when God has not seen fit to have even the originals of the bible in heaven and again---faith is in God, not in writers.
And? What has that to do with Jesus in the Americas? There are Christians in every country of the world now.
No such thing happened with the Mayan, Incas, or Aztec when you say Jesus was there.
Our Jesus is able---your is not.
We learn who the other sheep are in the Book of Mormon. The Bible also foretells the angel Moroni:The "other sheep" could simply be the Gentiles, Jesus did not preach to them in His ministry, save one incident of some Greeks who came to Jesus.
The Bible records only that Jesus appears in Jerusalem and Gallilee after resurrection.
Whether road to Damascus appearance to Paul was simply in vision is sort of vague; Paul's companions heard a voice but didn't see a light, or vice-versa, or heard but didn't understand...
That Jesus appeared in America is speculation - He COULD HAVE appeared in Tokyo and preached to Godzilla, He might have appeared on Venus and preached to extraterrestials - where does it all end?
C. S. Lewis wrote in Perelandra of the unfallen "Adam and Eve" on Venus - but that was science fiction.
And so does some JS WRITINGS seem to be to me.
The Bible does not say that Jesus DID NOT appear all over the world to Toltecs and Mayans and Siberians; but it does say that Heaven has received Him until the restitution of all things, which I feel has not happened yet.
Every time you say that---I say, just you sayng it did hbappen, does not make it so!Just saying it didn't happen does not make it so.
We learn who the other sheep are in the Book of Mormon. The Bible also foretells the angel Moroni:
(New Testament | Revelation 14:6)
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Reformed Egyptian is not a known language and Christian scholars would not be able to translate it, and it is not still around today. So it is way different than translating hebrew (a known language that is still around today) into greek (a known language that is still around today).
Not sure how science advancing has to do with an angel of light?
How could you possibly know such a thing?
Who knows what the angel Moroni did with the plates? What does it matter? The original golden plates are not available now, and the original manuscripts of the Bible are not available now. Too bad, it would be interesting to have both so we could endlessly squable over different translation renderings, and interpretations. The whole Christian world would be upended if the originals suddenly showed up.
It would only work if an authorized representative of the Lord, or the Lord himself brought the originals and made the proper interpretation would people agree. Only that, otherwise they would be more harm than good.
BTW our faith is in God, just as succinctly as your faith is in God.
The thousands of errors were not all just punctuation and spelling errors. At least you could be honest and admit that, right? And I'm sure your familiar with the recorded translation process where JS was not able to move in unless it was approved by the source of the rocks in the hat, right?What, some punctuation, and spelling problems? We can see those clearly, and it does not hurt the translation. Not one bit.
It is not only me, many others believe that Jesus visited His other people not of that fold. I have the Book of Mormon to back me up, you have nothing.Every time you say that---I say, just you sayng it did hbappen, does not make it so!
The angel Moroni was not Satan. Satan is not divided against himself:Everyone knows who the other sheep are----they are all who have heard His voice and follow Him.
Yes, the bible miost certainly says who the angel Moroni is:
2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Since the people of the BOM in the Americas were of the House of Israel, we believe when Jesus said this in Jerusalem, he was talking about these people and other Israelites of the dispersion by that time (30ad), not this time (2020 ad).
You are in no position to make such a declarative statement. You have very close to zero knowledge of the Olmec and Mayan peoples. Even the scholars are in the dark to most of what these people were all about. So how could you know that no such thing happened with the Maya...... So don't be silly.
I would not say such a thing. Our Jesus had the power to visit other nations and give them his gospel after his resurrection. Apparently yours could not.
Besides yours and ours is the same Jesus, we just think differently of him.
It is not only me, many others believe that Jesus visited His other people not of that fold. I have the Book of Mormon to back me up, you have nothing.
The angel Moroni was not Satan. Satan is not divided against himself:
(New Testament | Mark 3:24 - 26)
24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
The Bible does NOT say that the angel Moroni is Satan. The Bible does not say that Jesus did NOT visit other sheep not of that fold who were in the Americas. You are just telling us what your opinion is.There are millions more who believe in Mohamed. I have the bible to back me up---it is you who have nothing. The writings of JS are quite simply not true. Mohamed is not a prophet of God either, no matter how many millions think he is. The bible is the true word of God. Anything else, has to line up with it.
I believe in true prophets and the true Christ of the Bible who is one with the Father in glory and perfection as He so stated:LOL! Satan is very wily, he impersonates the prophets of God from the beginning!
Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mar_13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
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