Why is the Bible ambiguous?

[DogmaHunter]

I realize you haven't read it,

You are very, very wrong about that.

but the Bible says it is not even needed for believers:

The bible says a lot of things.

Romans 1:20 [Full Chapter]
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

You can replace "god" in that verse with just about anything, and it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[ken777]

Maybe because god doesn't exist. If he does the language of the bible is of little concern. What would be of great concern is the way we carry on treating each other, partly because he insists on staying invisible, you can only believe in him, if you believe he exists, he sent his son to a minor Roman Outpost, who never did that well, and when people see visions of god, Jesus, Mary, etc. Are the world leaders or farmers? An appearance at the G8 or G20 would do a lot more than all the priests, cardinals and bishops have achieved in the last 4,000 years in getting us to follow his massage.

Look at the story of Jesus' birth and you will see that God values simplicity & humility.


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[SkyWriting]

You are very, very wrong about that.
The bible says a lot of things.
You can replace "god" in that verse with just about anything, and it wouldn't make any difference.

WELL, the Bible says it is not the one and only Truth
and most DENOMINATIONS list it as one of the Truths about God
so
you don't seem to have absorbed what you read AND not paid attention to what churches teach.

You ACT as if scripture and religion is very powerful and meaningful yet
speak as if it is not.

 

[paulm50]

You should be amazed that with this degree of difficulty in the understanding of the Bible, it is still the most effective book to unify the faith. How does the Bible do that? May be this should be your real question.

Because of History. Until the 18th Century the Christian Church held supreme power, in conjunction with the god anointed king or queen. Since then it's power has been slowly chipped away at, separating Church and State was a great start. This process has a long way to go.

Since modern science has disproved much of the bible's early stories, education has made people realise how crazy some of it is, how we see what a mish mash it is, and we are allowed to discuss the alternative. Christianity is a shrinking religion. Counter that with Islam, which is growing, and see the difference between the followers.

But this is a problem, as ultimately humans interpret the hinge differently and it results in chaos and conflict.

The bible is a tool, one can use it to deny gays and women rights, thankfully Christianity is past the time it was used to kill people. Well not completely.

God actually caused confusion because man was getting too-big-for-his-britches.
Genesis 11 - The Tower of Babel

God has made His Word 'vague' and kept some information hidden, because He knows He can't trust us to completely follow through in faith.

Are you saying he wanted all the wars and genocide between different factions of Christianity and other religions?

Because that's what you just said.

 

[paulm50]

Look at the story of Jesus' birth and you will see that God values simplicity & humility.

Agreed, but it doesn't work.

 

[juvenissun]

Since modern science has disproved much of the bible's early stories, education has made people realise how crazy some of it is, how we see what a mish mash it is, and we are allowed to discuss the alternative. Christianity is a shrinking religion. Counter that with Islam, which is growing, and see the difference between the followers.

I found you like to repeat that wrong idea again and again. My advice to you is to carefully review that misunderstanding. Otherwise, you will not improve yourself at all.

 

[ken777]

Agreed, but it doesn't work.

It doesn't work when you look at the history of the organized church. It does work when you look at the history of Christianity among those who retained the humility & simplicity.


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[SkyWriting]

Are you saying he wanted all the wars and genocide between different factions of Christianity and other religions? Because that's what you just said.

They may have all happened just for the purpose of you questioning their purpose in this sentence I quoted.
You may be that important.

 

[DogmaHunter]

WELL, the Bible says it is not the one and only Truth and most DENOMINATIONS list it as one of the Truths about God
so you don't seem to have absorbed what you read AND not paid attention to what churches teach.

I did pay attention. I'm just not impressed by bare assertions and circular arguments.

You ACT as if scripture and religion is very powerful and meaningful yet
speak as if it is not.

Religion is powerful because religious people make it powerful.

In reality, religions are, off course, but a collection of rather fantastical stories which aren't demonstrable, or even supportable, in any sense of the word.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Religion is powerful because religious people make it powerful.

In reality, religions are, off course, but a collection of rather fantastical stories which aren't demonstrable, or even supportable, in any sense of the word.

Religion is the glue that holds societies together when everything else fails.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Religion is the glue that holds societies together when everything else fails.

If you say so.

Doesn't support them as being true one bit though.

 

[paulm50]

I found you like to repeat that wrong idea again and again. My advice to you is to carefully review that misunderstanding. Otherwise, you will not improve yourself at all.

OK show us where I'm wrong.

It doesn't work when you look at the history of the organized church. It does work when you look at the history of Christianity among those who retained the humility & simplicity.

Example please.

They may have all happened just for the purpose of you questioning their purpose in this sentence I quoted.
You may be that important.

God wanted over a 2 billion to die, so we can question his existence. I would rather he didn't think us worth bothering with. LOL

 

[paulm50]

I did pay attention. I'm just not impressed by bare assertions and circular arguments.

Those persuaded by only words, expect others to be the same.

Religion is powerful because religious people make it powerful.

In reality, religions are, off course, but a collection of rather fantastical stories which aren't demonstrable, or even supportable, in any sense of the word.

Religion is the glue that holds societies together when everything else fails.

Without organised religion the world pre Jesus would of been a total mess. Look at all the great building, wars and Empires it built. This carried through to maybe 1500s.

What caused the holocaust? The Jews insistence of hanging onto a religion that was obsolete. Refusing to intermarry, and integrate.

21st Century. The war in the Middle East wouldn't exist if not for religion. there might be tribal disputes, but only because one group refuse to intermarry, and integrate. America is a giant melting pot, it has ethnic sub groups, but they mostly call themselves Americans. Except for some.

Look at Europe. We are German, British or French first, Europeans second. And this is why the EU won't work.

The religious glue that kept us together, is now forcing us apart.

And without it's invention. We would not of had the great Kingdoms in S. America, India, the Orient, Middle East and Europe. Without it now we would have less wars and death. The Nazis were obsessed with religion, they saw it for the tool it is.

 

[SkyWriting]

Religion is powerful because religious people make it powerful.

I've always questioned religious people in positions of power so your point is lost on me there.
One of the few true believers who's opinion I trust was Best Man at my wedding and he works
on his family farm raising pigs.

And I have to wonder what power you think religious people have
since "conversion" seems to be pretty rare.

 

[SkyWriting]

God wanted over a 2 billion to die, so we can question his existence. I would rather he didn't think us worth bothering with. LOL

Well, THIS life is not God's top priority. We are all subject to death, so that's a given you can't blame God for.
And if you think our lives need to be drawn out to whatever particular length you have in mind, I'd like to
know the number as it might not be the majority opinion.

 

[SkyWriting]

In reality, religions are, off course, but a collection of rather fantastical stories which aren't demonstrable, or even supportable, in any sense of the word.

Most of the Bible is accurate history and supportable.
Evidently you've not read it or checked it's accuracy.
Those who do, are often amazed.

Biblical archaeology involves the recovery and scientific investigation of the material remains of past cultures that can illuminate the periods and descriptions in the Bible

Biblical Archaeology’s Top Ten Discoveries of 2014
A glimpse at the important work that goes on at excavations every year.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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